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Max
02-03-2009, 05:48 PM
http://mmamania.com/2009/02/03/bj-penn-ufc-94-fight-against-georges-st-pierre-was-to-be-his-last/

I have no clue what is going on in my head right now. I was going to make this my last fight and finish up fighting GSP. In my head, I was with [the UFC] for nine or ten years and I kind of just wanted to be finished with this whole thing after this. So I dont know where my head is right now.

UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn makes his first public remarks after losing to welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre at UFC 94 over the weekend, saying that he had pre-fight intentions of making it his last performance inside the Octagon. Perhaps the lopsided manner in which he lost rather than retiring on top as a dual champion has made him rethink that decision. It sounds as if the 30-year-old fighter will need more time to come to grips with his performance and fight future.


SOmeone on MMAfighting.net posted that BJ said on his facebook that he is not going to retire though.

NateR
02-03-2009, 05:50 PM
Hmmm.... fickle much?

Max
02-03-2009, 05:54 PM
Hmmm.... fickle much?
I think in BJ's mind it was the perfect way to go out. Have both belts and then just walk away. I think BJ realized there was going to be no way he could defend both belts at the same time. I think not only the loss but the way he lost has him rethinking his decision. I would not be surprised if he defended the LW title 1 or 2 more times before trying to set up a fight with Aoki before walking away.

NateR
02-03-2009, 05:57 PM
I think in BJ's mind it was the perfect way to go out. Have both belts and then just walk away. I think not only the loss but the way he lost has him rethinking his decision. I would not be surprised if he defended the LW title 1 or 2 more times before trying to set up a fight with Aoki before walking away.

And it's a way to completely screw over two entire divisions in the UFC.

However, if he's only 30 and already trying to retire, then his mind is probably just not in it anymore.

Max
02-03-2009, 06:02 PM
And it's a way to completely screw over two entire divisions in the UFC.

However, if he's only 30 and already trying to retire, then his mind is probably just not in it anymore.
I think the WW div would have been fine (just think about it, Matt beats Serra and we get to see Matt vs Alves for the WW title :) ) and I think the LW div would have just done Sherk vs Ken-Flo 2.

I think that BJ being a father made him rethink the whole fighting thing. Had that not happened I think he would have continued to fight. But like I said, based on his facebook he said he is not retiring.

warriorlion
02-03-2009, 06:36 PM
getting a beating then crying cheat, going to the hospital himself this time must have his head spinning, that superman punch from gsp was flush, would make your head frazzled. BJ needs to stick it lw

bradwright
02-03-2009, 06:43 PM
I think in BJ's mind it was the perfect way to go out. Have both belts and then just walk away. I think BJ realized there was going to be no way he could defend both belts at the same time. I think not only the loss but the way he lost has him rethinking his decision. I would not be surprised if he defended the LW title 1 or 2 more times before trying to set up a fight with Aoki before walking away.


the problem with his little plan was he never thought the whole thing through before he decided to ask for this fight,,and honestly i dont think BJs crew did him any favours either,,instead of nodding their heads and agreeing with everything BJ said somebody should have spoke up and told BJ that GSP is a lot better fighter this time around and maybe just maybe he should train like his life depended on it,,or at least like his legacy did,i'm not taking anything away from BJ but this really was the biggest mistake he has ever made going into a fight,,
as far as him retiring?i could see that coming too,,BJ is done,,he will retire very soon,,it may not be untill after he defends his title but if he loses that one then he Quits for sure,,
the only reason BJ is in this situation right now is because he is lazy,,and that will never change,,

rearnakedchoke
02-03-2009, 06:45 PM
After a beating like that, he can't let it be his last .. plus, won't he want to actually enjoy the afterparty of his last fight and not sit in a hospital instead ... LOL ... karma

Preach
02-03-2009, 06:46 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooonooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Max
02-03-2009, 06:49 PM
the problem with his little plan was he never thought the whole thing through before he decided to ask for this fight,,and honestly i dont think BJs crew did him any favours either,,instead of nodding their heads and agreeing with everything BJ said somebody should have spoke up and told BJ that GSP is a lot better fighter this time around and maybe just maybe he should train like his life depended on it,,or at least like his legacy did,i'm not taking anything away from BJ but this really was the biggest mistake he has ever made going into a fight,,
as far as him retiring?i could see that coming too,,BJ is done,,he will retire very soon,,it may not be untill after he defends his title but if he loses that one then he Quits for sure,,
the only reason BJ is in this situation right now is because he is lazy,,and that will never change,,
you have it in your head that BJ is lazy yet ever since his 2nd fight with Matt he has trained his ass off for all his fights. BJ being lazy is not what lost his the fight vs GSP. He came into that fight in shape and ready to go but GSP was just to strong for him. I dont think BJ did the wrong thing by asking for this fight. BJ loves the challenge of fighting bigger fighters and this was a great test for him. In the end he came up short but BJ is still one of the best fighters of all time.

County Mike
02-03-2009, 06:56 PM
you have it in your head that BJ is lazy yet ever since his 2nd fight with Matt he has trained his ass off for all his fights. BJ being lazy is not what lost his the fight vs GSP. He came into that fight in shape and ready to go but GSP was just to strong for him. I dont think BJ did the wrong thing by asking for this fight. BJ loves the challenge of fighting bigger fighters and this was a great test for him. In the end he came up short but BJ is still one of the best fighters of all time.

How do you know how much he trained? The special on Spike made it look like he was lazy and taking a lot of time off. I know it could be creative editing, but almost every time they showed BJ he was sitting around TALKING about how he was going to kill GSP. I don't know if BJ is lazy or not, but the look of him and the show definitely give me that impression.

Jonlion
02-03-2009, 07:17 PM
I think it is foolish to say BJ was lazy in his training for GSP, considering he knew this was the biggest fight of his career against a super fit GSP, there is no way Bj Penn was on easy street.

Gsp pushed him too hard and was better.

BJ did not lose because of Vaseline but he also didnt lose from lack of training.
thats silly!

GSP was just to much, i dont see why 1) this is such a talking point still
2) that to be pushed and beaten ny GSP is a thing so bad!

bradwright
02-03-2009, 07:17 PM
you have it in your head that BJ is lazy yet ever since his 2nd fight with Matt he has trained his ass off for all his fights. BJ being lazy is not what lost his the fight vs GSP. He came into that fight in shape and ready to go but GSP was just to strong for him. I dont think BJ did the wrong thing by asking for this fight. BJ loves the challenge of fighting bigger fighters and this was a great test for him. In the end he came up short but BJ is still one of the best fighters of all time.


I didn't say BJ wasn't a really good fighter,,i said he was lazy and only trained half assed for this fight,,and if your wondering how i came to this conclusion,,well it looked to me like BJ was gassed after the first round and could do nothing about Georges taking him down and pounding on him in the 2nd 3rd or 4th rounds,,thats what makes me say he was lazy and didn't train hard enough.

bj44
02-03-2009, 07:25 PM
He owes kenny florian a fight before he retires.

I like Kenny's chances alot more than i did before saturday. Who knows what that beating did to Bj's mindset.

rearnakedchoke
02-03-2009, 07:28 PM
I didn't say BJ wasn't a really good fighter,,i said he was lazy and only trained half assed for this fight,,and if your wondering how i came to this conclusion,,well it looked to me like BJ was gassed after the first round and could do nothing about Georges taking him down and pounding on him in the 2nd 3rd or 4th rounds,,thats what makes me say he was lazy and didn't train hard enough.

BJ trained hard for this fight, more than any other .. he could have trained for another year and he still wouldn't beat GSP ... gsp wins that fight 100% of the time

rockdawg21
02-03-2009, 07:30 PM
Retire, who needs ya? :tongue0011:

Preach
02-03-2009, 07:42 PM
BJ trained hard for this fight, more than any other .. he could have trained for another year and he still wouldn't beat GSP ... gsp wins that fight 100% of the time


With Vaseline and HGH in his corner I agree

Max
02-03-2009, 08:21 PM
I didn't say BJ wasn't a really good fighter,,i said he was lazy and only trained half assed for this fight,,and if your wondering how i came to this conclusion,,well it looked to me like BJ was gassed after the first round and could do nothing about Georges taking him down and pounding on him in the 2nd 3rd or 4th rounds,,thats what makes me say he was lazy and didn't train hard enough.
Having someone who out weighs you by 15 - 20 pounds leaning up against you and pushing you up against the cage is going to wear anyone out (hell even Randy said Brock's size was wearing him out when they fought). You cant use the fact that BJ was tired from being thrown around as proof that he did not train hard.

Llamafighter
02-03-2009, 08:33 PM
How do you know how much he trained? The special on Spike made it look like he was lazy and taking a lot of time off. I know it could be creative editing, but almost every time they showed BJ he was sitting around TALKING about how he was going to kill GSP. I don't know if BJ is lazy or not, but the look of him and the show definitely give me that impression.
On BJ's site they showed his training pretty in depth thru December. He was doing some very intense stuff. I know they probably didn't show a lot of it, but a great deal.

Preach
02-03-2009, 08:57 PM
On BJ's site they showed his training pretty in depth thru December. He was doing some very intense stuff. I know they probably didn't show a lot of it, but a great deal.


Your correct BJ trained hard

ufcfan2
02-03-2009, 11:22 PM
And it's a way to completely screw over two entire divisions in the UFC.

However, if he's only 30 and already trying to retire, then his mind is probably just not in it anymore.
Agreed. If ur minds not into its a good way to get urself seriously hurt inside the cage.
If he's not gonna retire and still wants to fight I seriously think he needs a new camp to train with. Some camp that will help with his wrestling,muy tai and other aspects. I just think he has a 'YES' camp were everyone tells him what he wants to hear not what he needs to hear..

Josh
02-03-2009, 11:36 PM
He probably did train hard but he ran his mouth so much that he made himself look like a fool for not finishing the fight. I actually thought he would win and was hoping he would but he sure made himself look bad.

Spiritwalker
02-04-2009, 12:52 AM
“I have no clue what is going on in my head right now. Everything tastes like Canadian Bacon and Vaseline, My doctor said it may be BDD.. (beat down disease), or CQS (cowardly quitters syndrome). I was going to make this my last fight and finish up fighting GSP. In my head, I was with [the UFC] for nine or ten years and I kind of just wanted to be finished with this whole thing after this but it all slipped away... but at least I have been force fed enough to last me awhile... So I don’t know where my head is right now. I do know that my face still hurts though...”




Agreed!

Champ2be
02-04-2009, 01:58 AM
With Vaseline and HGH in his corner I agree
:scratchchin: :rolleyes:

Hughes_GOAT
02-04-2009, 02:41 AM
+1

que
02-04-2009, 04:13 AM
he definitely owes kenflo a fight before he retires. and maybe even j-lau... if j-lau can string together a couple impressive wins. student vs teacher

MattHughesRocks
02-04-2009, 04:27 AM
I don't mind watching BJ fight but I can't stand to listen to him talk the crap he does. So to his retirement all I can do is......:party0019:

Tyburn
02-04-2009, 06:36 PM
Hmmm.... fickle much?
:laugh: CLASSIC BJ PENN

get the title and...throw it away...glad he didnt win now :angry: