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Tyburn
07-07-2009, 07:54 PM
:unsure-1: forgive me. I felt the need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8MX4DnOXK0 (Memorial Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuhBdHc8Nqs (News Coverage of the Event)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYzN2jpYMzw (Tribute Video to Emergency Services)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te4K7DcKL2A (A liturgical prayer specifically arranged for 7/7)

I have largely focused on the Bus Bombing...because that is the one that I would probably have been involved in, had I not changed shifts at the Cathedral for the day at short notice :ninja:

Play The Man
07-09-2009, 05:25 PM
Thank you for posting. People have short memories and need to be reminded. Just because time has passed and some of the shock has worn off, doesn't make the victims any less dead or the Muslim terrorists any less likely to commit another atrocity.

Play The Man
07-09-2009, 05:39 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198370/Rapist-lost-leg-7-7-blast-meets-Cameron-guest-honour-memorial-event.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/08/article-0-059F9405000005DC-970_468x638.jpg

David Cameron was criticised yesterday after he was pictured chatting to a violent gang rapist at the memorial to the July 7 victims.

The Conservative leader also shook the hand of Garri Holness, 42, who lost a leg in the London bombings.

In the weeks after the 2005 attacks, which claimed 52 lives, it emerged Holness had been jailed for his part in the horrific rape of two 16-year-old girls in 1985.

He was part of a gang known as the Young Raiders who dragged the schoolgirls into an underground garage in Brixton, South London, where they were raped more than 40 times at knifepoint.

Holness, a musician from Croydon, South London, was sentenced to seven years.

He was freed after serving three years but his conviction came back to haunt him when he took a leading role in the fight for justice for the 7/7 survivors. Holness has always argued his past should not be dragged up.


Speaking before Tuesday's Hyde Park ceremony, Holness said: ' People have to move on, I was a 17-year-old who didn't know himself.

'I don't want it raked up for the victims. I believe I am here now for a reason, to help young people.

'I was young, I was in a gang and I was brought up in a single parent family. I can help them.'

In January 2007 it emerged Holnesshad been awarded more than 100,000 in compensation for his injuries.

He received at least 74,000 from the London Bombings Relief Charitable Fund and at least 33,000 from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme.

It is more than ten times that given to his two teenage victims, who received just 7,000 each.

In my opinion, allowing this low-life rapist to participate in the memorial ceremonies sullies the memory of the innocent victims. I am sorry, but three years in prison doesn't erase your moral culpability for raping two young girls 40 times!:angry:

Crisco
07-09-2009, 06:34 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198370/Rapist-lost-leg-7-7-blast-meets-Cameron-guest-honour-memorial-event.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/08/article-0-059F9405000005DC-970_468x638.jpg






In my opinion, allowing this low-life rapist to participate in the memorial ceremonies sullies the memory of the innocent victims. I am sorry, but three years in prison doesn't erase your moral culpability for raping two young girls 40 times!:angry:

I agree but on the same token the man served his debt to society that the government gave him. He is trying to do good things with his life.

I'll let God judge him.

Play The Man
07-09-2009, 07:01 PM
I agree but on the same token the man served his debt to society that the government gave him. He is trying to do good things with his life.

I'll let God judge him.

I agree that he is no longer legally culpable. In that sense, he has paid his debt to society; however, I specifically meant moral culpability and him receiving an honor despite being a very dishonorable man. If he is trying to do good things with his life, then give the 100,000 pounds of money to the two rape victims. His quote does not say, "I did a very evil thing. I beg society and my victims to forgive me. Please accept my money as a token of my sincerity. I deserved to be in prison. In fact, I deserved worse. I realize that what I did was wrong and I regret it every day. I will never commit a crime of violence on another human being. Each and every day I will try to become a better man"; instead, he offers pathetic excuses about being young, being a child of a single mother, and not "know[ing] himself." In additon, he literally says, "move on". I don't think that if he were dragged into a dark corner and had a group of men pull off his prosthetic leg and rape him with it 40 times, that he would be so cavalier about it. God definitely will judge him. I am not saying that citizens should take the law into their own hands and punish him; however, I am saying that he should not be honored in any way; he forfeited that when he terrorized those two girls. 7/7 belongs to the dead victims and the relatives and friends that are left to mourn. He should spend his time out of the limelight thanking God that he was spared.

Bonnie
07-09-2009, 08:11 PM
I, too, feel very strongly about rape and rapists and agree that this man did not serve nearly enough time for his crime. Unfortunately for him, he was a victim also of the 7/7 bombings. I agree with you that he should do good works and charity with that money he got. Maybe God is using him to help others as well as to turn his life around. If he is honestly trying to be a good person now, trying to help others in need, then he should do it whether his past comes up or not. That is his cross to bear, his shame and he should not complain about it or make excuses.

He can never make it up to those girls or give them back what he took from them in that horrible despicable crime, but he can turn his life around from that evil and walk in God's light from now on. Hopefully, that is what he is trying to do.

Tyburn
07-09-2009, 08:38 PM
I heard about the Memorial.

I dont think that David Cameron had much of a choice...he'd be making too much of a point if he DIDNT shake hands wouldnt he? He will no doubt say it was about the 7/7 memorial...and nothing to do with rape



....and I cant believe they let him out so early...but thats the British Justice system for you...whatever your sentance...halve it...and be out before that on good behaviour.

Personally...Had I been Justice Minister....you'd have seen him swinging in 1986 :)

Play The Man
07-09-2009, 11:04 PM
I heard about the Memorial.

I dont think that David Cameron had much of a choice...he'd be making too much of a point if he DIDNT shake hands wouldnt he? He will no doubt say it was about the 7/7 memorial...and nothing to do with rape



....and I cant believe they let him out so early...but thats the British Justice system for you...whatever your sentance...halve it...and be out before that on good behaviour.

Personally...Had I been Justice Minister....you'd have seen him swinging in 1986 :)

I was shocked by the leniency of that sentence. That was not a "he-said, she-said" "date-rape" situation. It was two schoolgirls being dragged into a remote spot at knifepoint and raped 40 times! In my opinion, a more just sentence would have him leave jail as an old man, if he ever left jail at all.

Tyburn
07-09-2009, 11:13 PM
I was shocked by the leniency of that sentence. That was not a "he-said, she-said" "date-rape" situation. It was two schoolgirls being dragged into a remote spot at knifepoint and raped 40 times! In my opinion, a more just sentence would have him leave jail as an old man, if he ever left jail at all.
In England "life" is only 25 odd years. :unsure-1:

I know people who have served in Wal-Mart longer then a Life Sentance...and they got no parole :laugh: