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Play The Man
07-03-2009, 10:20 AM
As if you needed more evidence of how depraved our enemies are, along comes a story like this one. I don't know how much lower they can go, but I've been surprised before. I thought the Islamists had hit bottom when they strapped bombs to mentally retarded females but then there was the story of Islamists raping women and then convincing them that the only way to make up for the dishonor of the rape was to die as a suicide bomber. Why can't they fight like men on the battlefield instead of hiding behind women and children? Answer: They would die in a fight against real men.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/taliban-buying-children-to-serve-as-suicide-bomber/

Pakistan's top Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, is buying children as young as 7 to serve as suicide bombers in the growing spate of attacks against Pakistani, Afghan and U.S. targets, U.S. Defense Department and Pakistani officials say.

A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.

"[Mehsud] has turned suicide bombing into a production output, not unlike [the way] Toyota outputs cars," a U.S. Defense Department official told reporters recently. He spoke on the condition that he not be named because of ongoing intelligence efforts to catch Mehsud, a prime target for a U.S. and Pakistani anti-Taliban campaign.

Suicide bombings have become frequent in Pakistan in the past year, including high-profile attacks on hotels frequented by Westerners, as well as on Pakistani police and military installations. There has also been a spate of such attacks directed at U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan.

The U.S. official said the price depends on how quickly the bomber is needed and how close the child is expected to get to the target.

"[Mehsud] produces these suicide bombers, which are sold or bartered, which can be used by [Afghan Taliban leader Mullah] Omar's Taliban or ... other groups," the U.S. official said.

In some cases, he said, the children are kidnapped and then sold to Mehsud.

Using child suicide bombers "is the grim reality of the Taliban Frankenstein that now threatens to overwhelm the Pakistani state," said Bruce Riedel, a Brookings Institution scholar who chaired a review of Pakistan-Afghanistan strategy for President Obama.

rockdawg21
07-03-2009, 02:13 PM
That's no surprise.

Miss Foxy
07-03-2009, 05:55 PM
Gosh I say someone just bomb Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. Nothing good will ever prevail outta those countries.. Sick mother effers... Sad thing is the families really believe the dead relatives whether its a child, man, or woman are heroes... Just sickening...

mscomc
07-08-2009, 02:49 AM
As if you needed more evidence of how depraved our enemies are, along comes a story like this one. I don't know how much lower they can go, but I've been surprised before. I thought the Islamists had hit bottom when they strapped bombs to mentally retarded females but then there was the story of Islamists raping women and then convincing them that the only way to make up for the dishonor of the rape was to die as a suicide bomber. Why can't they fight like men on the battlefield instead of hiding behind women and children? Answer: They would die in a fight against real men.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/taliban-buying-children-to-serve-as-suicide-bomber/

With all respect intended:

Are their "enemies" fighting on the battelfield all the time? No, they are bombimg them with tanks, mortars, rockets, cannons and sometimes air assault from a mile away. This isnt like the colonial days where two sides meet at some open field an open fire on eachother and the stong ones are left standing. Im am by NO MEANS condoning this sickening thing that is to recruit children for suicide bombing...but perhaps thats their way of trying to level the playing field. The U.S is doing smart work by using all of their resources, but the taliban and tribal leaders dont have a large cache of military weapons or advance vehicles to fight so they use what they can. Again, I am not saying it is right.

The second part I bolded, I dont know if that is completely accurate either. I have a good friend who is pakistani and I met his uncle once who was a colonel in the pakistan military. He told me this story of one time he and some of his soldiers many years back saw a man who would belong to the tribes of northern pakistan and afganistan beating the crap out of his wife. All ten of the pakistan guys supposedly came and beat this guy with battons and stuff. Even after taking a beating like that, the guy got back up and tried chasing them with a knife. They had to shoot him multiple times before he actually dropped. So what I am saying is, the enemies in these areas may not be physically large or strong, but their will to fight to the end is strong. I think if you were to put them one on one with someone as it appears you are suggesting, they would do a lot better you think.

mscomc
07-08-2009, 02:57 AM
Gosh I say someone just bomb Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran. Nothing good will ever prevail outta those countries.. Sick mother effers... Sad thing is the families really believe the dead relatives whether its a child, man, or woman are heroes... Just sickening...

Well, I can hear what your saying. But look at this way.

When a U.S soldier dies, I imagine you are sad for him/her and their family? Why? because you support the troops, and you beleibve in what they are doing, and that is very noble and good. Would you not call them HEROES for fighting the enemy? Of course you would..who wouldnt?

Now lets flip it around. You have these people in afghanistan and pakistan, and they percevie the U.S and probably other nations as the enemy. In their eyes, allied troops are their to kill them, possibly rape their women (thing like this have happened, albeit on a small scale) etc etc. Now suppose you are a young pakistani girl/boy or whatever....you have no real means to fight these people. You probably dont have guns, or ammo, or other weapons of war. So you sacrifice yourself to "fight" your "enemy", and the result may be that you die but you kill 4-5 "enemies". So why wouldnt you be seen as a hero to your own people. what is sickening about that? isnt it good that they at least honour someone who they beleive has fallen to protect them?

Now, obviously, sitting back from a distance, we can use our on judgement and intelligence to see who is wrong and who is right.

Crisco
07-08-2009, 08:38 PM
Well, I can hear what your saying. But look at this way.

When a U.S soldier dies, I imagine you are sad for him/her and their family? Why? because you support the troops, and you beleibve in what they are doing, and that is very noble and good. Would you not call them HEROES for fighting the enemy? Of course you would..who wouldnt?

Now lets flip it around. You have these people in afghanistan and pakistan, and they percevie the U.S and probably other nations as the enemy. In their eyes, allied troops are their to kill them, possibly rape their women (thing like this have happened, albeit on a small scale) etc etc. Now suppose you are a young pakistani girl/boy or whatever....you have no real means to fight these people. You probably dont have guns, or ammo, or other weapons of war. So you sacrifice yourself to "fight" your "enemy", and the result may be that you die but you kill 4-5 "enemies". So why wouldnt you be seen as a hero to your own people. what is sickening about that? isnt it good that they at least honour someone who they beleive has fallen to protect them?

Now, obviously, sitting back from a distance, we can use our on judgement and intelligence to see who is wrong and who is right.

If they can't be reasoned with they should be removed.

Miss Foxy
07-08-2009, 08:47 PM
Well, I can hear what your saying. But look at this way.

When a U.S soldier dies, I imagine you are sad for him/her and their family? Why? because you support the troops, and you beleibve in what they are doing, and that is very noble and good. Would you not call them HEROES for fighting the enemy? Of course you would..who wouldnt?

Now lets flip it around. You have these people in afghanistan and pakistan, and they percevie the U.S and probably other nations as the enemy. In their eyes, allied troops are their to kill them, possibly rape their women (thing like this have happened, albeit on a small scale) etc etc. Now suppose you are a young pakistani girl/boy or whatever....you have no real means to fight these people. You probably dont have guns, or ammo, or other weapons of war. So you sacrifice yourself to "fight" your "enemy", and the result may be that you die but you kill 4-5 "enemies". So why wouldnt you be seen as a hero to your own people. what is sickening about that? isnt it good that they at least honour someone who they beleive has fallen to protect them?

Now, obviously, sitting back from a distance, we can use our on judgement and intelligence to see who is wrong and who is right.
Then I guess im ignorant and judgemental.. I support my country and our military 100% we are founded under GOD....

mscomc
07-08-2009, 09:54 PM
If they can't be reasoned with they should be removed.

Forgive my need for clarity:

What do you mean exactly by that? I am not being sarcastic, I truly not 100% sure what you mean. Are you saying if you cant reason with someone you should remove them by force? for example: war, battle etc etc?

But if thats the case, there are those in the world who clearly beleive the U.S, the U.K (and other G8 countries, probably Canada as well) cant be reasoned with. So, should other countries be just as free then to attack us and remove us because in their view WE cant be reasoned with? If I totally missed your point please correct me.:)

mscomc
07-08-2009, 10:00 PM
Then I guess im ignorant and judgemental.. I support my country and our military 100% we are founded under GOD....

Again, sorry ahead of time, and forgive me need for clarity:

What do you mean "founded under god". Do you mean you are a nation that holds the values of God very closely as is it apparently written in your constitution or that God is directly responsible for the formation of the United States of America?

If its the latter you mean, and I propose this. Arent all things founded under god? I mean did you know that the official title of Pakistan is actually... "The Islamic Republic of Pakistan"... this is a country that beleives in its religion and god so much they put its title right in the name of the country. Now whether or no you beleive in Islam is another matter...we are all allowed freedom of religion....but from their perspective they beleive in God as well...so how does that make the U.S any more special in that reference?

If your point is that you are a nation that holds the values of God very closely as is it apparently written in your constitution, could you elborate further on how you feel this is significant? And if I have completely missed the boat on what you were saying, please let me know also. Take care :)

Crisco
07-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Forgive my need for clarity:

What do you mean exactly by that? I am not being sarcastic, I truly not 100% sure what you mean. Are you saying if you cant reason with someone you should remove them by force? for example: war, battle etc etc?

But if thats the case, there are those in the world who clearly beleive the U.S, the U.K (and other G8 countries, probably Canada as well) cant be reasoned with. So, should other countries be just as free then to attack us and remove us because in their view WE cant be reasoned with? If I totally missed your point please correct me.:)

This is 100% correct. If another nation fundamentally disagrees with us enough to declare please by all means do. Many of the conflicts in the world will eventually boil over and I would prefer we eliminated the threats one at a time.

NK and Iran come to mind. These countries cause NOTHING else but problems.

Muslim radicals will not stop until they are dead. I say lets kill them all before they have a chance to blow themselves up and take others with them. The world is festering around us with horrible people. It's within our ability to ease the suffering of those under their thumbs and we should do it.

Crisco
07-08-2009, 10:11 PM
Again, sorry ahead of time, and forgive me need for clarity:

What do you mean "founded under god". Do you mean you are a nation that holds the values of God very closely as is it apparently written in your constitution or that God is directly responsible for the formation of the United States of America?

If its the latter you mean, and I propose this. Arent all things founded under god? I mean did you know that the official title of Pakistan is actually... "The Islamic Republic of Pakistan"... this is a country that beleives in its religion and god so much they put its title right in the name of the country. Now whether or no you beleive in Islam is another matter...we are all allowed freedom of religion....but from their perspective they beleive in God as well...so how does that make the U.S any more special in that reference?

If your point is that you are a nation that holds the values of God very closely as is it apparently written in your constitution, could you elborate further on how you feel this is significant? And if I have completely missed the boat on what you were saying, please let me know also. Take care :)

At the risk of sounding hypocritical and funny

We worship the right God. :wink: :laugh:

To be clear I for one don't feel American is a Christian nation anymore. I just feel Islam poses a threat to all free peoples who do not want to have faith pushed on them.

mscomc
07-08-2009, 11:15 PM
At the risk of sounding hypocritical and funny

We worship the right God. :wink: :laugh:

To be clear I for one don't feel American is a Christian nation anymore. I just feel Islam poses a threat to all free peoples who do not want to have faith pushed on them.

I hear what you are saying:

Thats what I was kind of trying to get across. when you said "the right God", in the end its a matter of perspective. Of course you think you are right...why wouldnt you? it doesnt make you a bad person :) But it doesnt make you special either....I mean we ALL think we are right, it doesnt make us any different from people over in the east who also beleive THEY ARE right in their religious pursuit.

I dont beleive that is Islam that poses a threat to free peoples, but rather radical islam that does. I mean are their not muslims in America who are normal folk and contributing people: Doctors, lawyers, engineers....they are in a beautiful country that allows them to be this way.

To the the radicals...I agree they are horrible people.....but just remember, alot of people are quick to call them the devil, but it may because they are living in hell....bomb blasts everyday, constant killing, gun fire. I think any religion in a truly depraved situation can create radicals... like the battles between the muslim and christian lebanese people many years ago.... or during the partition of countries like India... you had: muslims, hindus, seiks and everyone massacaring eacother in order to "protect their religion" and family. Anyway, now Im just ranting...:)

Chris Wescott
07-09-2009, 03:43 PM
How much longer can we sit back and watch this depravity happen. It / they are sick. This needs to stop. :punch:

Crisco
07-09-2009, 04:06 PM
I hear what you are saying:

Thats what I was kind of trying to get across. when you said "the right God", in the end its a matter of perspective. Of course you think you are right...why wouldnt you? it doesnt make you a bad person :) But it doesnt make you special either....I mean we ALL think we are right, it doesnt make us any different from people over in the east who also beleive THEY ARE right in their religious pursuit.

I dont beleive that is Islam that poses a threat to free peoples, but rather radical islam that does. I mean are their not muslims in America who are normal folk and contributing people: Doctors, lawyers, engineers....they are in a beautiful country that allows them to be this way.

To the the radicals...I agree they are horrible people.....but just remember, alot of people are quick to call them the devil, but it may because they are living in hell....bomb blasts everyday, constant killing, gun fire. I think any religion in a truly depraved situation can create radicals... like the battles between the muslim and christian lebanese people many years ago.... or during the partition of countries like India... you had: muslims, hindus, seiks and everyone massacaring eacother in order to "protect their religion" and family. Anyway, now Im just ranting...:)

Islam was founded on the sword. Mohammed cut a wide swath with his blade forcing conversion or death. The reason these people experience the bomb blasts and such all day is because of their radical brothers yet they do nothing to stop them.

Nothing good comes from the continuation of their way of life. It needs to change. They need to stop the none sense or face punishment. Their ideals are far reaching and are spreading. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and everyday the cause gets 100 new followers to kill bomb and destroy all things Christian.

Don't kid your self. Islam is evil. I won't say muslims are evil because there are some nice people but their religion itself is based upon evil principles. Don't kid yourself brother Islam is definately the most powerful tool of the devil and the strongest.

Twinsmama
07-09-2009, 05:06 PM
It doesn't matter what their beliefs are anyone that does this to a child needs to be shot. I'm concerned for anyone that tries to justify why this would be done. Hopefully it is just because you don't have children yet and you will change your point of view when you do. Once people have children their views change on a lot of things. When you know the innocence of children you should have the need to protect them not harm or kill them.

it sickens me to even think someone could do this to a child

mscomc
07-09-2009, 05:21 PM
It doesn't matter what their beliefs are anyone that does this to a child needs to be shot. I'm concerned for anyone that tries to justify why this would be done. Hopefully it is just because you don't have children yet and you will change your point of view when you do. Once people have children their views change on a lot of things. When you know the innocence of children you should have the need to protect them not harm or kill them.

it sickens me to even think someone could do this to a child


First of all, I am NOT justifying what they are doing. If I were justifying what they were doing, I would be trying to prove that they are right in what they are doing...and If you read my previous posts, you will recall me saying it is NOT RIGHT, that these people are horrible and that I do not approve of this.

I am simply trying to get people to see things from another perspective. Everyone is so quick to say... how could these people do this? why ? I dont understand?...... Do you think they just magically woke up on morning and said "hey, i have nothing better to do, why not strap a bomb to a kid and blow him/her up"....Give me a break!

This is their way of trying to fight who they beleive are their enemies, and right now they beleive the U.S is one of them. They dont have coventional weapons and ammmo so they use other means..... and the sad part is most allied forces probably wouldnt suspect children of being threats or even if they did, they probably would hesitate to neutralize them, making the children effective. And the children themselves may beleive they are fighting their enemy. Its terrible, but thats they way it is.

Furthermore, I think this all sickens you very much for many reasons. The more important ones being: You youself are probably a mother/father, you care for children, you are compassionate and loving; and those are excellent virtues to have. But, at the same time, YOU probably have no clue what life is like in those parts of the world. Sure you may have seen the news, heard the reports or watched those amnesty international adds that come on ....but you have never lived in such terrible conditions: no running water, power goes out constantly, gun fire all day, 100 F weather etc etc. You dont think that may completey mess up a persons thought process?

Again, not to condone anything these guys do....but just please consider the idea that it is not as cut and dry as you may think it is.

Crisco
07-09-2009, 10:00 PM
First of all, I am NOT justifying what they are doing. If I were justifying what they were doing, I would be trying to prove that they are right in what they are doing...and If you read my previous posts, you will recall me saying it is NOT RIGHT, that these people are horrible and that I do not approve of this.

I am simply trying to get people to see things from another perspective. Everyone is so quick to say... how could these people do this? why ? I dont understand?...... Do you think they just magically woke up on morning and said "hey, i have nothing better to do, why not strap a bomb to a kid and blow him/her up"....Give me a break!

This is their way of trying to fight who they beleive are their enemies, and right now they beleive the U.S is one of them. They dont have coventional weapons and ammmo so they use other means..... and the sad part is most allied forces probably wouldnt suspect children of being threats or even if they did, they probably would hesitate to neutralize them, making the children effective. And the children themselves may beleive they are fighting their enemy. Its terrible, but thats they way it is.

Furthermore, I think this all sickens you very much for many reasons. The more important ones being: You youself are probably a mother/father, you care for children, you are compassionate and loving; and those are excellent virtues to have. But, at the same time, YOU probably have no clue what life is like in those parts of the world. Sure you may have seen the news, heard the reports or watched those amnesty international adds that come on ....but you have never lived in such terrible conditions: no running water, power goes out constantly, gun fire all day, 100 F weather etc etc. You dont think that may completey mess up a persons thought process?

Again, not to condone anything these guys do....but just please consider the idea that it is not as cut and dry as you may think it is.

They condemn the U.S. for murdering innocent people and bombing their schools. They know that killing childre is wrong. They are not without a sense of right and wrong. However, their beliefs have driven them to madness more then anything. There are plenty of people who live in these regions who live perfectly normal lives.

That is like saying feel bad for murderous drug dealers because they had no other outlet to make a living. I call bull. We strap them in the chair and prisons for life regardless. No mercy to these ANIMALS.

Being poor alone doesn't drive people to madness or the world would have destroyed itself long ago because 80% is poor. You need something extra to turn you into an animal and that my friend is that demon seed Islam.

I won't deny there are some crazy Christians in the world but no where near on the scale of Islam. There is something fundamentally wrong with that faith aside from the fact that it is misguided.