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Faith and Grace
06-25-2009, 04:01 AM
A few years back I fired a manager of mine who later came back and kidnapped my brother and robbed us. He blamed his life falling apart because I fired him and he wanted
vengeance.
let me give you a little history. This gut was from Tennessee where all of his family lived. I had him at my house with my family, wife and kids along with his life for Thanksgiving because we didn't want them to spend the holiday alone. We never get persona; with our employees but felt it was the right thing to do. towards the end of his job he became very insubordinate and wasn't performing so I let him go. Come to find out later he was drinking a lot and was an alcoholic. He also had a history of abuse. was put in jail for domestic violence. I think but previous employers had problems with him too. I let him go in December I think. I heard he was OK with it because he went back to Tennessee where his daughter had a son and he was able to become a part of his life and his daughters. Later I get a phone call from his employer in tennessee asking if I knew where he was. I found this odd and told him I had no idea. He said he hadn't shown up for work in 2 weeks and supposedly had problems with his family and fled.
Well about a week later he was spotted scoping out our restaurant setting his trap. Later that night when my brother was leaving work he was pushed back inside by a AK47 and the old manager. He was dressed all in black. Let me tell you he was in the military as a demolition expert. He pushed my brother into the office and told him to give him all of our money. he did. My brother was trying to make sense of all this and was trying to talk this irraticle man. All he would do is yell at my brother and kept telling him that I ruined his life and that he basically wanted payback. Then he immediately zip tied my brothers hands behind his back and strapped explosives on my brothers arms and told him if he tried to get out that the explosives would detonate enough to blow his arms off. He then kept trying to get my brother to call me to lure me there so he could work me over badly. My brother refused to give me up and told him throughout this 2-3 hour period that he can do whatever he wants with him because he was not going to let him hurt me or anyone in his family. Then he tried to get my brother to get my parents over there and if he didn't he was going to go to their houses and get them. my brother said no. He wanted my parents there because he knew he would have more leverage in getting me to the restaurant. All this time he wanted me bad and kept threatening my brother that he was going to break his kneecaps if he didn't comply. My brother still refused. After a couple of hours went by he put my brother in my brothers truck and made him tell him where he lived. They arrived to my brother's house with all of our money and then went to plan B because my brother was confusing him with all of the talk of how he is screwing up. My brother really got into his head. Then the guy told my brother that he was going to hurt us where it would hurt the most and told my brother that he wanted him to sign the restaurant over to him. That didn't work out and my brother could see that he was getting more flustered. After a while my brother told him that if it was money he wanted then he could help him. He told him that if me or my father came in the next morning to open and saw all of the money missing and my brother missing then we would call the cops and he would be caught. My brother proposed that if he would take all of the money back then he would go to the bank the next morning with him and give him$100,000 cash and he could go free as long as he promised to never hurt his family. Ok he said and in my brother's truck he went leaving my brother behind. My brother really had him trusting him. My brother then broke fro the chair that he was tied up to ran to the neighbors house and told them to call the cops. Well the crook arrived to the restaurant and saw several cops waiting for him. he bolted and the cops chased him down HWY61 in a high speed chase. Well they got him and he jumped out of the truck with a gun in his hand telling the cops to shoot him. They arrested him and off to County he went for the next 1.5 years to await his prison sentence. Here's the thing. the police found a note on his person and in his hotel room. it was a reminder of what he had to do in case he forgot because he was hopped up on pills and alcohol. It said to kill me, my wife who was 7 months pregnant(he knew she was), my 2 year old daughter, my brother, Father, Mother and kidnap my father-in-law for money because he is wealthy.
The burglar alarm company called me at home late that night to tell me the alarm was not set. Typically I would tell them that I would go back down to set it but that night I was deathly ill. I told them to forget about it. If I was feeling well I would have gotten out of bed and walked into all of that. Either he or me would have been dead that night.
this really effected me and my family bad. None of us could function or sleep. We all became very frightened of our lives because we didn't know if anyone in his family was going to finish the job. We all started carrying guns, got security systems in our houses and the whole 9 yards. We all suffered from nightmares for a couple of years.
His family and lawyers have since been trying to get my brother to talk with them but he wouldn't./ Time has passed and my brother's heart has softened. The guy has asked for a reconsideration. He is trying to be contacted by the guys family and attorney, They wasn't to either speak with him or let them write him a letter. My brother doesn't know what to do. The guy has a minimum of a 33 year sentence and he is 50 years old now. My brother feels bad for making him stay in prison that long and for keeping him away from his family. He doesn't know what God wants him to do our what the right thing is to so because his choice will effect the entire family.
What are y'alls opinions on this. Normally we know what to do but this guy as crazy as he is and knowing he has a mental disorder history along with an alcohol history was sort of part of the family. We cared for him and his family. The reconsideration trial I believe is next week. It bothers me because he wanted to rob me of my wife and kids along with taking our lives and I really don't want to have to watch over my shoulder my whole life but at the same time I want to show mercy as well as my brother.

Mac
06-25-2009, 04:08 AM
A few years back I fired a manager of mine who later came back and kidnapped my brother and robbed us. He blamed his life falling apart because I fired him and he wanted
vengeance.
let me give you a little history. This gut was from Tennessee where all of his family lived. I had him at my house with my family, wife and kids along with his life for Thanksgiving because we didn't want them to spend the holiday alone. We never get persona; with our employees but felt it was the right thing to do. towards the end of his job he became very insubordinate and wasn't performing so I let him go. Come to find out later he was drinking a lot and was an alcoholic. He also had a history of abuse. was put in jail for domestic violence. I think but previous employers had problems with him too. I let him go in December I think. I heard he was OK with it because he went back to Tennessee where his daughter had a son and he was able to become a part of his life and his daughters. Later I get a phone call from his employer in tennessee asking if I knew where he was. I found this odd and told him I had no idea. He said he hadn't shown up for work in 2 weeks and supposedly had problems with his family and fled.
Well about a week later he was spotted scoping out our restaurant setting his trap. Later that night when my brother was leaving work he was pushed back inside by a AK47 and the old manager. He was dressed all in black. Let me tell you he was in the military as a demolition expert. He pushed my brother into the office and told him to give him all of our money. he did. My brother was trying to make sense of all this and was trying to talk this irraticle man. All he would do is yell at my brother and kept telling him that I ruined his life and that he basically wanted payback. Then he immediately zip tied my brothers hands behind his back and strapped explosives on my brothers arms and told him if he tried to get out that the explosives would detonate enough to blow his arms off. He then kept trying to get my brother to call me to lure me there so he could work me over badly. My brother refused to give me up and told him throughout this 2-3 hour period that he can do whatever he wants with him because he was not going to let him hurt me or anyone in his family. Then he tried to get my brother to get my parents over there and if he didn't he was going to go to their houses and get them. my brother said no. He wanted my parents there because he knew he would have more leverage in getting me to the restaurant. All this time he wanted me bad and kept threatening my brother that he was going to break his kneecaps if he didn't comply. My brother still refused. After a couple of hours went by he put my brother in my brothers truck and made him tell him where he lived. They arrived to my brother's house with all of our money and then went to plan B because my brother was confusing him with all of the talk of how he is screwing up. My brother really got into his head. Then the guy told my brother that he was going to hurt us where it would hurt the most and told my brother that he wanted him to sign the restaurant over to him. That didn't work out and my brother could see that he was getting more flustered. After a while my brother told him that if it was money he wanted then he could help him. He told him that if me or my father came in the next morning to open and saw all of the money missing and my brother missing then we would call the cops and he would be caught. My brother proposed that if he would take all of the money back then he would go to the bank the next morning with him and give him$100,000 cash and he could go free as long as he promised to never hurt his family. Ok he said and in my brother's truck he went leaving my brother behind. My brother really had him trusting him. My brother then broke fro the chair that he was tied up to ran to the neighbors house and told them to call the cops. Well the crook arrived to the restaurant and saw several cops waiting for him. he bolted and the cops chased him down HWY61 in a high speed chase. Well they got him and he jumped out of the truck with a gun in his hand telling the cops to shoot him. They arrested him and off to County he went for the next 1.5 years to await his prison sentence. Here's the thing. the police found a note on his person and in his hotel room. it was a reminder of what he had to do in case he forgot because he was hopped up on pills and alcohol. It said to kill me, my wife who was 7 months pregnant(he knew she was), my 2 year old daughter, my brother, Father, Mother and kidnap my father-in-law for money because he is wealthy.
The burglar alarm company called me at home late that night to tell me the alarm was not set. Typically I would tell them that I would go back down to set it but that night I was deathly ill. I told them to forget about it. If I was feeling well I would have gotten out of bed and walked into all of that. Either he or me would have been dead that night.
this really effected me and my family bad. None of us could function or sleep. We all became very frightened of our lives because we didn't know if anyone in his family was going to finish the job. We all started carrying guns, got security systems in our houses and the whole 9 yards. We all suffered from nightmares for a couple of years.
His family and lawyers have since been trying to get my brother to talk with them but he wouldn't./ Time has passed and my brother's heart has softened. The guy has asked for a reconsideration. He is trying to be contacted by the guys family and attorney, They wasn't to either speak with him or let them write him a letter. My brother doesn't know what to do. The guy has a minimum of a 33 year sentence and he is 50 years old now. My brother feels bad for making him stay in prison that long and for keeping him away from his family. He doesn't know what God wants him to do our what the right thing is to so because his choice will effect the entire family.
What are y'alls opinions on this. Normally we know what to do but this guy as crazy as he is and knowing he has a mental disorder history along with an alcohol history was sort of part of the family. We cared for him and his family. The reconsideration trial I believe is next week. It bothers me because he wanted to rob me of my wife and kids along with taking our lives and I really don't want to have to watch over my shoulder my whole life but at the same time I want to show mercy as well as my brother.\


Amazing man , truly amazing . I dont think i could help the scumbag out . He had it in his mind to murder your little girl . I dont even know your family but thats all it takes for me to say " let him rot in jail" Noone hurst a child or even threatens it in my eyes. Let him Rot.

matthughesfan21
06-25-2009, 04:43 AM
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Amazing man , truly amazing . I dont think i could help the scumbag out . He had it in his mind to murder your little girl . I dont even know your family but thats all it takes for me to say " let him rot in jail" Noone hurst a child or even threatens it in my eyes. Let him Rot.
agreed

NateR
06-25-2009, 05:46 AM
My brother doesn't know what to do. The guy has a minimum of a 33 year sentence and he is 50 years old now. My brother feels bad for making him stay in prison that long and for keeping him away from his family.

I don't think your brother has anything to feel bad about. He's not keeping this guy from his family, this guy did this to himself. If your brother had done what he wanted, then this guy would STILL be in prison right now, but it would probably be for the murder of you and/or your family.

If the guy is willing to murder your entire family over a job, then his family is probably better off without him.

huan
06-25-2009, 05:54 AM
Forgiving the guy is one thing, but potentially putting your family in another life threatening situation all over again just doesn't sit well with me. Pray for wisdom on your brother's behalf. I will do the same.

MattHughesRocks
06-25-2009, 06:00 AM
He deserves to be in jail. Your brother doesnt need to to feel bad. Like Mac said,look at what he was going to do to your family.

Hughes_GOAT
06-25-2009, 06:20 AM
with you religious types, half will say forgive him and the other half will be like Nate and tell him to rot.

NateR
06-25-2009, 06:24 AM
with you religious types, half will say forgive him and the other half will be like Nate and tell him to rot.

I didn't say he shouldn't forgive him. I just said that he shouldn't blame himself for the guy being in prison.

And forgiving him doesn't automatically mean that the guy should walk. He still needs to pay for his crimes.

MattHughesRocks
06-25-2009, 06:29 AM
Youre a dork

with you religious types, half will say forgive him and the other half will be like Nate and tell him to rot.

Hughes_GOAT
06-25-2009, 07:11 AM
Youre a dork
:laugh:

Hughes_GOAT
06-25-2009, 07:25 AM
I didn't say he shouldn't forgive him. I just said that he shouldn't blame himself for the guy being in prison.

And forgiving him doesn't automatically mean that the guy should walk. He still needs to pay for his crimes.
well that's the thing. he's having this conflict because of his religion. Christians on one side interpret things like he does, causing guilt. and you have Christians on the other who interpret like you Nate.

County Mike
06-25-2009, 12:24 PM
Let him rot. If he does get out, hire someone to finish him off. Nobody messes with family and gets another chance to do it again.

J.B.
06-25-2009, 12:45 PM
I would not feel conflicted by the situation.

You went out of your way to be kind to the man, and obviously he has some deep issues. When a man is 50 years old, he has been on this earth long enough to know right from wrong. Spending what will probably be the rest of his life in prison is a fate he has to live with due to his own actions. Not because of you or your brother.

In my opinion, the cops should have shot the guy on the spot, especially if he is waving an Ak47 around like a madman. I hope they at least shot him with the taser, or beat the crap out of him.

rockdawg21
06-25-2009, 01:33 PM
This person brought it on himself, nobody else controlled his actions or controls his fate.

What if he actually DID kill you or one of your family members? In my eyes, a threat is just as bad as the action. Let him rot.

Crisco
06-25-2009, 02:42 PM
We should always forgive...

But rarely forget.

Twinsmama
06-25-2009, 03:16 PM
Our church just discussed forgive vs forget a few weeks ago. I say forgive because he clearly has some mental problems. I say don't forget. Someone not getting hurt or killed at this mans hands is a miracle. You know those don't happen often, why chance it.

How would your brother feel if he were not able to stop this crazy man from killing your family next time? This man may do the same thing to someone else one day. Not something I would want on my mind.

surveyorshawn
06-25-2009, 03:34 PM
We are called to forgive, but also to use wisdom at the same time. Forgiveness does not mean that there is no penalty for the wrong thing that was done. There is no penalty for us as Christians when God forgives us because Jesus paid that penalty for us, not because the penalty was erased with the forgiveness. Other than the issue of paying a penalty for wrongdoing, wisdom dictates that this man remain behind bars or in a mental institution to protect others from him, namely you & your family. When you described him, you described someone who has a lifelong history of this kind of behavior. He has had 50 years to repent or get help, and has shown that he will not or cannot. I feel a very compassionate spirit in you, and that is an awesome thing!! Use that compassionate spirit to forgive him, and use wisdom to protect your family and keep that guy locked up so your family, his family, and other potential victims will be safe! God bless you brother!

Buzzard
06-26-2009, 03:09 AM
In my opinion, the cops should have shot the guy on the spot, especially if he is waving an Ak47 around like a madman. I hope they at least shot him with the taser, or beat the crap out of him.

And you accuse me of having little moral fiber.:Whistle:

I say let the guy talk to you but pay for his crimes. No guilt should be felt.

Faith and Grace
06-26-2009, 04:45 AM
Well my brother just emailed this. this is the guys attorney saying this. This is the second time this week saying this. My brother told his contct that he didn't want to hear anything they had to say. they can't just stop.
Here it is:
****:
Thank you for your assistance. We know it is hard on Mr. Bessinger and his family and we appreciate the consideration. Charles and his family so want to communicate to Mr. Bessinger how sorry he is. It is a tragic case. Charles is so remorseful. He wants to communicate to Mr. Bessinger how sorry he is. His brother Ron ***** has written a letter and I will send it to you to give to Mr. Bessinger.
Thank you.
Joe

J.B.
06-26-2009, 05:13 AM
And you accuse me of having little moral fiber.:Whistle:

I say let the guy talk to you but pay for his crimes. No guilt should be felt.

Get off me....

If the guy was waving an AK-47 around, after kidnapping someone and planning to kill others, I would give him NO QUARTER. Two 9mm's right between the eyes. TYVM!!!

Don't be a fool...:rolleyes:

TENNESSEAN
06-26-2009, 05:33 AM
Youre a dork

Dork is letting him off way to easy. I aint laughing.
Forgiveness is a must however I would not have any communication with this guy what so ever. Let his sentence be carried out.

MattHughesRocks
06-26-2009, 06:14 AM
Well I wasn't posting this for your entertainment either.Goat and I go back more then 3 years on this forum, as I do with a lot of people here.Sometimes one word is all that's needed.


Dork is letting him off way to easy. I aint laughing.
Forgiveness is a must however I would not have any communication with this guy what so ever. Let his sentence be carried out.

Buzzard
06-26-2009, 06:18 AM
Get off me....

If the guy was waving an AK-47 around, after kidnapping someone and planning to kill others, I would give him NO QUARTER. Two 9mm's right between the eyes. TYVM!!!

Don't be a fool...:rolleyes:

I'm not the one with little moral fiber. Just sayin'. When I look in the mirror, a fool doesn't look back at me. Your mileage may vary.:laugh:

Just so you get it, I'm messing with ya. I've had too much crap happen to myself and my friends this past week to let myself get worked up over something as trivial as an internet war of words. Peace.

Hughes_GOAT
06-26-2009, 06:30 AM
Dork is letting him off way to easy.
was this directed at me?

rockdawg21
06-26-2009, 12:53 PM
Get off me....

If the guy was waving an AK-47 around, after kidnapping someone and planning to kill others, I would give him NO QUARTER. Two 9mm's right between the eyes. TYVM!!!

Don't be a fool...:rolleyes:
I'm with you JB, just like I told my wife, "If somebody comes into our house and threatens myself or any member of my family, I'll make no 2nd guesses whether or not I'm gonna kill that person." In no way am I going to allow an intruder to "chance" or forgive him if he wants to do any harm to myself or my family. Bullet to the head, end of story.

Bonnie
06-26-2009, 01:26 PM
We are called to forgive, but also to use wisdom at the same time. Forgiveness does not mean that there is no penalty for the wrong thing that was done. There is no penalty for us as Christians when God forgives us because Jesus paid that penalty for us, not because the penalty was erased with the forgiveness. Other than the issue of paying a penalty for wrongdoing, wisdom dictates that this man remain behind bars or in a mental institution to protect others from him, namely you & your family. When you described him, you described someone who has a lifelong history of this kind of behavior. He has had 50 years to repent or get help, and has shown that he will not or cannot. I feel a very compassionate spirit in you, and that is an awesome thing!! Use that compassionate spirit to forgive him, and use wisdom to protect your family and keep that guy locked up so your family, his family, and other potential victims will be safe! God bless you brother!


Well put, Shawn. :)

TENNESSEAN
06-26-2009, 03:56 PM
Keep us updated on how this pans out.

MattHughesRocks
06-26-2009, 04:08 PM
From me yes :rolleyes: Him, it looked like it but I don't get it :laugh:


was this directed at me?

Hughes_GOAT
06-26-2009, 07:05 PM
From me yes :rolleyes: Him, it looked like it but I don't get it :laugh:
he told me it rubbed him the wrong way. wanna guess what i told him?

TENNESSEAN
06-26-2009, 07:36 PM
he told me it rubbed him the wrong way. wanna guess what i told him?
why dont you start another thread and tell us all about it. stop trying to derail this one. you have not made one post on topic.

Hughes_GOAT
06-26-2009, 08:22 PM
why dont you start another thread and tell us all about it. stop trying to derail this one. you have not made one post on topic.
struck a nerve i see :laugh:

you're not a mod so spare me the act. even Michelle (an actual mod) thinks you're being a douche.

Tyburn
06-26-2009, 10:59 PM
Sometimes one word is all that's needed.
Wouldnt have been my choice of a single word though :ninja: :laugh:

Tyburn
06-26-2009, 11:00 PM
struck a nerve i see :laugh:

you're not a mod so spare me the act. even Michelle (an actual mod) thinks you're being a douche.
But I'm a Mod...so you just behave yourself Andreas :ninja:

Faith and Grace
06-26-2009, 11:56 PM
well a letter was sent to my brother today from the Criminals brother. My brother told them no that he didn't want any contact with them and they sent it to his home address!!!! They were suppose to send it to the attorney if one was suppose to be sent at all. I intercepted it before he could read it. it basically was all about them and what they as a family have missed out on without him being there. Such as his father passing away and his brother. Also, that his grandson will hardly know him. They really tried to pull the heart strings on him and make him feel sorry for him and his family. they find it ridiculous that he has such a stiff sentence and Tommy should do the right thing and put a good word in for him. They say he now understands the relationship he was suppose to be having with God and he has been sober for 3 years now. he is well like in Prison by the guards and helps in Hospice. he says he is very sorry and would love to see him face to face to tell him so. it was all about how they feel and nothing about how this has effected us and how we would feel if he got out.

TENNESSEAN
06-27-2009, 12:08 AM
They know you have a kind family. Pulling at the heart strings is how they get what they want.
You have seen threw that in their being so self centered.
Sorry for the bit of fuss in your thread.

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 12:13 AM
Wouldnt have been my choice of a single word though :ninja: :laugh:
oh Dave....don't make me tell Franklin you're drinking pop again. twice a week too. :laugh:

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 12:15 AM
But I'm a Mod...so you just behave yourself Andreas :ninja:
oh please, you have no power....if you did i wouldn't have gotten voted in hahaha. (inside joke peeps, don't ask)

Faith and Grace
06-27-2009, 12:16 AM
Goat,
I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread if you can not contribute. we are going through some very challenging times right now and I do not want to come on here and read this childishness. Not trying to be mean but it needs to be said.

Sincerely,
F&G.

Miss Foxy
06-27-2009, 12:17 AM
I think you can forgive him in your heart, however you have a family to protect..At any moment in time he could harm them. I would have serious doubts about being the nice forgiving person. That is between you and God to which your forgiveness extends. Good luck..

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 03:52 AM
Goat,
I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread if you can not contribute. we are going through some very challenging times right now and I do not want to come on here and read this childishness. Not trying to be mean but it needs to be said.

Sincerely,
F&G.
what childishness? oh, you mean Tenn? well i agree. he should have got the hint when Michelle blew him off. just put him on ignore if his childishness is too much.

MattHughesRocks
06-27-2009, 04:27 AM
Wow, that's a bunch of bullcrap that they got your family members address! :scared0011: I'd seriously consdier suing over that alone.That is just SO wrong :angry:

Maybe they should send any future letters back unopened.This is crazy.What state do you live in?

well a letter was sent to my brother today from the Criminals brother. My brother told them no that he didn't want any contact with them and they sent it to his home address!!!! They were suppose to send it to the attorney if one was suppose to be sent at all. I intercepted it before he could read it. it basically was all about them and what they as a family have missed out on without him being there. Such as his father passing away and his brother. Also, that his grandson will hardly know him. They really tried to pull the heart strings on him and make him feel sorry for him and his family. they find it ridiculous that he has such a stiff sentence and Tommy should do the right thing and put a good word in for him. They say he now understands the relationship he was suppose to be having with God and he has been sober for 3 years now. he is well like in Prison by the guards and helps in Hospice. he says he is very sorry and would love to see him face to face to tell him so. it was all about how they feel and nothing about how this has effected us and how we would feel if he got out.

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 04:46 AM
Wow, that's a bunch of bullcrap that they got your family members address! :scared0011: I'd seriously consdier suing over that alone.That is just SO wrong :angry:

Maybe they should send any future letters back unopened.This is crazy.What state do you live in?
maybe it was listed?

MattHughesRocks
06-27-2009, 04:49 AM
Like who looks in a phonebook these days? :laugh: Besides...I mean..what BALLS :blink:


maybe it was listed?

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 04:57 AM
Like who looks in a phonebook these days? :laugh: Besides...I mean..what BALLS :blink:
they have them in prison, along with computers. what are they gonna do to him? give him another 5 years? he's gonna die in prison, he don't care.

Boomer
06-27-2009, 06:00 AM
Goat,
I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread if you can not contribute. we are going through some very challenging times right now and I do not want to come on here and read this childishness. Not trying to be mean but it needs to be said.

Sincerely,
F&G.

Lets everyone respect this request and keep any personal fighting outside this. - everyone

Tenn saying GOAT is a dork, or that was too good for him wasn't appropriate.

GOAT what Tenn believed was you mocking Christianity in a thread from a Christian asking for help caused him to defend someone who is obviously down right now.

Whatever the case, faith asked that this not be derailed so lets respect that.

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 08:21 AM
i agree with your 2nd point Boom :wink: but not the rest. i wasn't mocking Christianity. i made a very valid point on how Christians interpret the Bible differently....and they do, it's a fact. has anyone here said to go visit the guy? so why do we keep hearing "my bro doesn't know what to do?" the answer hasn't changed. do you want us to say, "yes, go visit him?"

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 08:22 AM
F&G didn't like my opinion, so he falsely accuses me of not contributing? so no, i don't/won't respect that. maybe someone else will tell you what you want to hear (just to be nice) but not me. if anything, F&G owes me an apology for attacking me, when all i did was offer my opinion on why his bro may be conflicted? btw, i'm on my mobile, which is why my posts are spread out.

Hughes_GOAT
06-27-2009, 08:23 AM
flame away bitches!

Boomer
06-27-2009, 09:16 AM
flame away bitches!

There is nothing to flame GOAT. If someone asks for opinions on a public forum ... then they have to be ready for all the different prespectives out there. You were in fact just giving your observations on the situation based off your own life expericences. If this were in the C-section directed at just the Christian audience then there would be merit to limit the responses to those of the Christian faith. Since this wasn't in that section, it was open to all.

So, any more words on this take it to PMs.

Tyburn
06-27-2009, 12:16 PM
Lets everyone respect this request and keep any personal fighting outside this. - everyone

Tenn saying GOAT is a dork, or that was too good for him wasn't appropriate.

GOAT what Tenn believed was you mocking Christianity in a thread from a Christian asking for help caused him to defend someone who is obviously down right now.

Whatever the case, faith asked that this not be derailed so lets respect that.
I think Several Moderators have already called for this action Boomer

Hughes_GOAT
06-28-2009, 06:01 AM
There is nothing to flame GOAT.

i was being sarcastic and i agree Boom.

Neezar
06-28-2009, 06:12 AM
I think Several Moderators have already called for this action Boomer

Dave, YOU do not = several. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


For the record, when someone first said something to GOAT I had no idea why. And I even went back and read it again. Still didn't get it so I moved on. Maybe I will look again. I hate to miss out on something.

Tyburn
06-28-2009, 12:30 PM
Dave, YOU do not = several. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


:ashamed:

In Mass and Density...I probably do :laugh:

VCURamFan
06-28-2009, 06:09 PM
:ashamed:

In Mass and Density...I probably do :laugh:Haha, Dave just called himself dense!:laugh:

Tyburn
06-28-2009, 06:24 PM
Haha, Dave just called himself dense!:laugh:
As in mass and Volume :rolleyes:

not as in...the head :angry: :laugh: