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rockdawg21
06-19-2009, 06:04 PM
Wow, that's a lot of money!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/67266;_ylt=Agt86G99Mhd20GF9ZlJwJEas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDM TFydDB2ZzZuBGFzc2V0Ay9uZi82NzI2NgRwb3MDNARzZWMDeW5 faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDaWxsZWdhbHNvbmdz

Illegal Song Sharing Costs Single Mom $1.92 Million

Jennifer LeClaire, newsfactor.com Jennifer Leclaire, newsfactor.com 1 hr 47 mins ago

In what turned out to be a nightmare for the defendant, a federal jury on Thursday ruled that Jammie Thomas-Rasset willfully violated the copyrights on 24 songs. Record companies were awarded $80,000 per song, for a total of $1.92 million.

This is the second time Thomas-Rasset went to trial on the matter. The single mother from Minnesota had planned to appeal the first ruling that came down from a different federal court in October 2007. But the judge in that case decided he had given the jury erroneous instructions and a new trial was ordered.

Thomas-Rasset may wish she had settled for the original verdict. The recompense for sharing copyright-protected music online in the first trial was only $220,000. Either way, she has said publicly that the record labels can't collect money she doesn't have.

The plaintiffs, which include Virgin Records, Sony BMG, Capitol Records, Arista Records, Warner Bros., UMG Recordings, and Interscope Records, claimed Thomas-Rasset distributed 1,702 copyrighted audio files on file-sharing network Kazaa in 2005.

A Precedent-Setting Case

"We appreciate the jury's service and that they take this as seriously as we do," the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) said. "We are pleased that the jury agreed with the evidence and found the defendant liable. Since day one, we have been willing to settle this case, and we remain willing to do so."

Under oath, Thomas-Rasset denied that a folder on the Kazaa network that contained illegal files of copyrighted songs belonged to her. But experts testified that the Internet address used by "tereastarr," the name of the Kazaa user who infringed, belonged to Thomas-Rasset.

The RIAA had reportedly given Thomas-Rasset the opportunity to settle the case for between $3,000 and $5,000, but she declined. The jury could have awarded up to $150,000 per song under federal law.

The precedent-setting case is part of the RIAA's campaign against file-sharing piracy. The RIAA has launched more than 20,000 lawsuits since it set out on its zero-tolerance campaign to stop digital piracy in September 2003. Some suits settled out of court. Others were dismissed. This was the first case to go before a jury.

RIAA Ready for Backlash

Digital piracy is a major issue for the music industry. Global music sales will fall 2.5 percent annually over the next five years as digital formats overtake CDs, according to a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers entitled Entertainment and Media Outlook for 2009-2013. Although the ability to purchase single song selections as opposed to entire albums is making an impact, piracy is partly to blame.

Still, analysts don't expect the record labels to turn to lawsuits to make up for lost sales. In fact, although the RIAA may have a defendable position in the Thomas-Rasset case, the action against the single mother may only serve to create ill will among music fans, according to Tim Deal, a senior analyst at Pike & Fischer.

"To many, the illegal file-sharing battle was fought and decided a few years ago. The copyright holders won. The usual suspects, Napster, BitTorrent and Kazaa, have since gone legit, and the illegal file-sharing phenomenon paved the way for the popularity of legitimate digital downloading a la iTunes," Deal said. "I understand the RIAA's need to set an example, but the public backlash will border on brutal."

VCURamFan
06-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Ya know what, it sucks, but that's the law. I mean, it's illegal to share copyrighted files & music & videos, etc., and (thanks to Metallica) people are painfully aware of this. Even if they're not, it's still no excuse for breaking the law. It's too bad that she's a single mother, but that's the penalty for lawlessness. The judge didn't even award the RIAA the maximum amount, and the RIAA has said that from the beginning they've been willing to settle out of court. It's this woman's own arrogance that has led to this.

J.B.
06-19-2009, 06:35 PM
Oh, please... Rock, you are gonna get me started again....:laugh:


Pffft, the RIAA, I can tell you a thing or two about the friggin RIAA....

NateR
06-19-2009, 07:07 PM
It's pointless to single her out when millions of people do this every day. If the government really wants to stop this, then they should go after the people who create the file sharing software to begin with. Besides, it's not like they're going to see any of that money.

To try to make an example out of a single mother when thousands of people continue to break the law with impunity is not justice.

This is really just the final death throes of the dying record industry. CDs are becoming obsolete and, instead of changing with the times, the recording industry is pressuring lawmakers so they can cling to the past.

rockdawg21
06-19-2009, 07:51 PM
Oh, please... Rock, you are gonna get me started again....:laugh:


Pffft, the RIAA, I can tell you a thing or two about the friggin RIAA....
I'm gonna to get you started again? :blink:
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2036

:rotfl:

J.B.
06-19-2009, 07:57 PM
It's pointless to single her out when millions of people do this every day. If the government really wants to stop this, then they should go after the people who create the file sharing software to begin with. Besides, it's not like they're going to see any of that money.

To try to make an example out of a single mother when thousands of people continue to break the law with impunity is not justice.

This is really just the final death throes of the dying record industry. CDs are becoming obsolete and, instead of changing with the times, the recording industry is pressuring lawmakers so they can cling to the past.


You are on the right track, but sadly it's MUCH deeper than that.

The RIAA started taking a percentage of all the blank cd's sold at least 15 years ago. That money is supposed to go to the artists to help "make up for" lost record sales due to illegal copying of music. Please find me a single artist who has collected a DIME from those bastards, you won't. This kind of crap has been happening since the 70's and 80's with boom-boxes that recorded tapes from the radio. They get a handful of the BIGGEST artists in the industry and get them to band together to protest against this, but even those artists know deep down in their hearts that the MORE their music gets out, the better it is for them. They just don't DARE challenge the mother-ship....

The record industry is NOT declining ONLY because of downloaded albums. It's because of the economy, inflated album prices, crappy music, and over extended loans given to artists who end up flopping. When I went to audio college, I heard a lecture from Rupert Neve (creator of some of the best mixers EVER). He spoke of the death of the common studio due to technology catching up with the mainstream market, and it's the truth.

Music on a whole is NOT losing money, or even making LESS money. The business is just changing. The Internet is largely responsible for this. Bands are able to be more independent now then they ever could be before, and also able to achieve a much better sound with a minimal amount of gear. A guy with twenty thousand dollars and a little bit of knowledge can make mixes as good, if not better, than the guys in million dollar studios. Believe me, I know. :wink:

Still, the major groups, and even smaller groups still make a KILLING in their live performances. Thats pretty much how it's always been. Now, if you HATE hearing about single-moms getting hit with ridiculous lawsuits, and the RIAA being complete dicks, then I suggest you stop buying music all together, and I MEAN THAT. Don't give those bastards a single dime, but still go to your favorite band's concerts, and buy their t-shirts, stickers, and other crap.

For the politically minded, keep this in mind... Joe Biden is responsible for this crap. He was the main sponsor of the digital millennium copywright act, and is a total douche. Ask Obama, I bet in confidence he would admit that Biden is a walking gaff. Oh yeah, and if the new tax on radio passes into law, your favorite radio stations will be playing a LOT less music, unless they pay a ridiculous tax while Joe Biden spanks his monkey....:angry:

So download music, download movies, download OVERPRICED software...then find other ways to patronize the artists and companies you respect until they realize that they need to lower their prices and break the cycle. :punch:

atomdanger
06-19-2009, 08:02 PM
This is a complete joke.

Murder, rape, burglary, etc... All come with MUCH lower fines.

I literally have watched serial thief get a 10K fine,
even though he had robbed well over 500K in belongings from homes.
(He got 5 in Prison also, but still)

She didn't cost them that much in damages,
The fine should be for the cost of the 2 cd's she downloaded.

atomdanger
06-19-2009, 08:03 PM
It's pointless to single her out when millions of people do this every day. If the government really wants to stop this, then they should go after the people who create the file sharing software to begin with. Besides, it's not like they're going to see any of that money.

To try to make an example out of a single mother when thousands of people continue to break the law with impunity is not justice.

This is really just the final death throes of the dying record industry. CDs are becoming obsolete and, instead of changing with the times, the recording industry is pressuring lawmakers so they can cling to the past.

Exactly, very well said.

I am sure there are people out there with THOUSANDS on songs on their computer,
and movies, etc....

A single mother with 24 songs? Come on....
I have seen people who have 3 or 4 thousand stolen songs on their computer.

rockdawg21
06-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Come on....
I have seen people who have 3 or 4 thousand stolen songs on their computer.
I'd appreciate it if you would quit hacking my computer!

NateR
06-19-2009, 08:05 PM
You are on the right track, but sadly it's MUCH deeper than that.

The RIAA started taking a percentage of all the blank cd's sold at least 15 years ago. That money is supposed to go to the artists to help "make up for" lost record sales due to illegal copying of music. Please find me a single artist who has collected a DIME from those bastards, you won't. This kind of crap has been happening since the 70's and 80's with boom-boxes that recorded tapes from the radio. They get a handful of the BIGGEST artists in the industry and get them to band together to protest against this, but even those artists know deep down in their hearts that the MORE their music gets out, the better it is for them. They just don't DARE challenge the mother-ship....

The record industry is NOT declining ONLY because of downloaded albums. It's because of the economy, inflated album prices, crappy music, and over extended loans given to artists who end up flopping. When I went to audio college, I heard a lecture from Rupert Neve. He spoke of the death of the common studio due to technology catching up with the mainstream market, and it's the truth.

Music on a whole is NOT losing money, or even making LESS money. The business is just changing. The Internet is largely responsible for this. Bands are able to be more independent now then they ever could be before, and also able to achieve a much better sound with a minimal amount of gear. A guy with twenty thousand dollars and a little bit of knowledge can make mixes as good, if not better, than the guys in million dollar studios. Believe me, I know. :wink:

Still, the major groups, and even smaller groups still make a KILLING in their live performances. Thats pretty much how it's always been. Now, if you HATE hearing about single-moms getting hit with ridiculous lawsuits, and the RIAA being complete dicks, then I suggest you stop buying music all together, and I MEAN THAT. Don't give those bastards a single dime, but still go to your favorite band's concerts, and buy their t-shirts, stickers, and other crap.

For the politically minded, keep this in mind... Joe Biden is responsible for this crap. He was the main sponsor of the digital millennium copywright act, and is a total douche. Ask Obama, I bet in confidence he would admit that Biden is a walking gaff. Oh yeah, and if the new tax on radio passes into law, your favorite radio stations will be playing a LOT less music, unless they pay a ridiculous tax while Joe Biden spanks his monkey....:angry:

So download music, download movies, download OVERPRICED software...then find other ways to patronize the artists and companies you respect until they realize that they need to lower their prices. :punch:

Well, I kind of understood that it was much deeper, but I don't have all the inside information you do. Thanks for that, it puts a lot more in perspective.

I've always suspected that it was the record company executives trying to protect their paychecks and had little to do with the musical talent itself (except for bands like Metallica who tell their own fans to "**** off" for downloading their music).

Joe Biden responsible for screwing up the music industry. Joe Lieberman leading the crusade to censor video games in the early 90s. Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) leading the charge to ban books in the 80s. What freedoms of expression haven't the liberals tried to attack? :rolleyes:

rockdawg21
06-19-2009, 08:26 PM
What freedoms of expression haven't the liberals tried to attack? :rolleyes:
The porn industry? :blink:

atomdanger
06-19-2009, 08:57 PM
I'd appreciate it if you would quit hacking my computer!

NEVAR!

J.B.
06-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Well, I kind of understood that it was much deeper, but I don't have all the inside information you do. Thanks for that, it puts a lot more in perspective.

I've always suspected that it was the record company executives trying to protect their paychecks and had little to do with the musical talent itself (except for bands like Metallica who tell their own fans to "**** off" for downloading their music).

Joe Biden responsible for screwing up the music industry. Joe Lieberman leading the crusade to censor video games in the early 90s. Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) leading the charge to ban books in the 80s. What freedoms of expression haven't the liberals tried to attack? :rolleyes:

The inside information is all right there, I guess I just have always had more stock in the situation because of my place as a musician. Still, I have always been on the "indie" side, and never really had to deal with the pressure of being as big as some of the bands I am talking about, so I TRY not to be too judgmental.

I also don't think it's ALL of Metallica who take the attitude that is largely pushed by drummer Lars Ulrich. That was 9 years ago, as soon as Napster went down, even before that, other P2P programs were made, so it really made NO difference. Still, I think they were wrong to put their faces out there against it, along with Brittney Spears, U2, Dr. Dre, and a bunch of other moot artists/bands.

It's sad, but they are robots, and I am not kidding. They may be robots with great music, but they are still robots regardless.

logrus
06-19-2009, 09:21 PM
The sad part is they couldn't even tie the downloads to her, just her computer and in this day and age it's easier to hack a computer then it is to make a scrambled egg.

Last night while setting up a wireless network I was able to gain acess to 3 neighbors computers all because they lacked the knowledge to actually secure it. All it takes is a little war driving and you can pretty much ruin a bunch of lives in your neighborhood.

As for pron, not to long ago they tried to pass a law that would make all porn under the dot.porn search by the bill failed.

JB is right about the RIAA, they are a bunch of scum, and the loss of $$$ is not tied to pirating, but the make up of all factors. Artists are producing more their own music now, selling digital downloads themselves now and pretty much getting their fans to go thru online websites to buy their favorite bands items.

atomdanger
06-19-2009, 09:30 PM
lol @ the wireless network thing.

Oh man, I've gotten into countless Starbucks systems,
home computers, even a couple budget motels systems...


wait.. I mean... I could have... but didn't...

J.B.
06-19-2009, 09:34 PM
There ya go....

who they gonna sue when I download Eminem's new album while sitting outside a Starbucks?

F**K YOU RIAA and JOE BIDEN!!! :punch: :laugh:

J.B.
06-19-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm gonna to get you started again? :blink:
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2036

:rotfl:


Of course, clearly you are responsible for that tirade...:)

atomdanger
06-19-2009, 10:10 PM
There ya go....

who they gonna sue when I download Eminem's new album while sitting outside a Starbucks?

F**K YOU RIAA and JOE BIDEN!!! :punch: :laugh:

LMAO

J.B.
06-19-2009, 10:17 PM
LMAO

Well, EM said it better than I...

"Were the ones who made you...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FinnL6_X_0

J.B.
06-19-2009, 10:30 PM
While I'm on the topic, EM tried to kill all the beef, and shot this video only a couple weeks before Proof died...trully sad in my eyes...:cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMieL1IxxNc

logrus
06-20-2009, 12:35 AM
There ya go....

who they gonna sue when I download Eminem's new album while sitting outside a Starbucks?

F**K YOU RIAA and JOE BIDEN!!! :punch: :laugh:

Youd be the only one in the free world to own it .

J.B.
06-20-2009, 12:38 AM
Youd be the only one in the free world to own it .
Me and all the fine ladies at da club will be just fine with it....:wink:

MattHughesRocks
06-20-2009, 03:19 AM
Well...she's still too young to tase so I'm not sure what to do with that lady.

Buzzard
06-20-2009, 05:43 AM
Well, I kind of understood that it was much deeper, but I don't have all the inside information you do. Thanks for that, it puts a lot more in perspective.

I've always suspected that it was the record company executives trying to protect their paychecks and had little to do with the musical talent itself (except for bands like Metallica who tell their own fans to "**** off" for downloading their music).

Joe Biden responsible for screwing up the music industry. Joe Lieberman leading the crusade to censor video games in the early 90s. Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) leading the charge to ban books in the 80s. What freedoms of expression haven't the liberals tried to attack? :rolleyes:


Seeing as how the Senate passed the bill unanimously, can you spare some hatred for the republicans that voted yea on it?

VCURamFan
06-20-2009, 03:03 PM
Well...she's still too young to tase so I'm not sure what to do with that lady.That's what night sticks are for! :wink:

Tyburn
06-21-2009, 10:28 PM
anyone remember the humble tape...you know I have music trapped on a tape that I payed extremely good money for...I cant listen to it no more...because I cant find a Tape Recorder anymore to play it on.

Incidently I have stacks half way to the ceiling of Video Cassettes and probably one of the countries last fully functioning VHS Machines...WTF do I do when that breaks down exactly...

They should pay me for taking these stupid media off my hands, or swap them for the same information in the current media profile...I probably have nearly a hundred pounds stirling trapped in unwanted and soon to be obselete media forms.

:angry:

I want my money back

:laugh:

logrus
06-21-2009, 10:40 PM
anyone remember the humble tape...you know I have music trapped on a tape that I payed extremely good money for...I cant listen to it no more...because I cant find a Tape Recorder anymore to play it on.

Incidently I have stacks half way to the ceiling of Video Cassettes and probably one of the countries last fully functioning VHS Machines...WTF do I do when that breaks down exactly...

They should pay me for taking these stupid media off my hands, or swap them for the same information in the current media profile...I probably have nearly a hundred pounds stirling trapped in unwanted and soon to be obselete media forms.

:angry:

I want my money back

:laugh:

Convert your VHS to DvD though DvD will be on the obsolete list in the next few years, so were all pretty much SOL. I think thats why people pretty much RIP and download torrents only cause the technology is moving so much faster, why waste the money if in 2 years your collection is worthless.

F34R
06-21-2009, 10:52 PM
I'd like to read some of the "evidence" from the experts. Anyways, she wasn't guilty of having those songs on her computer. She's been found "guilty" of having those songs available for distribution.