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NateR
06-17-2009, 12:06 PM
Okay you might be thinking that I accidentally posted this thread in the wrong section, but there is just something about this article on Marvel.com that has me a little bothered:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8368.Reborn_Revealed

Namely the last two paragraphs (emphasis added):
"We got very fortunate in that the death of Cap garnered so much mainstream media attention and affected so many people," reflects Brevoort. "I think [that was] both because of what Captain America symbolizes even to people who haven't been following his adventures month after month, and that it happened just as there was a shift in the overall tenor of the nation. Cap's death came to be seen as indicative of some larger truths about the state of [America]. The death of Cap seemed to symbolize the death of hope.

"In terms of bringing Steve back, that too seems to reflect today's feeling of positivity [and] a world in which we want to believe in heroes again, that good men can triumph and that we can be our own better selves."

Now why would they want to politicize this whole storyline like this? The Death of Captain America story was published in 2007, so the "death of hope" quote is a clear reference to the Bush Administration. Did the Death of Superman story from 1993 signify our loss of faith in America? Of course not, because a Democrat was President.

Marvel Comics is already in bed with Obama, their special Spider-Man comic proved that. So I'm a little worried that they're going to be using Captain America to endorse the Secular Progressive agenda of the Obama Administration. Values that completely contradict the character of Captain America (a fictional character, yes, but you can't deny that these storylines have a lot of influence over people).

A little bit of history: Captain America was created in 1941 as a patriotic hero that American readers could rally around as the war in Europe raged on. His very first appearance showed him punching out Adolf Hitler a full 10 months before Pearl Harbor. So there was no mystery about what this character stood for. In fact, in an early issue, Captain America captured a female Nazi agent and had this to say to her:
I'm going to let you return to Germany because rats of your kind don't deserve to be in a free land -- even in prison! -- and you can tell that Austrian paper hanger this -- Tell him that our freedom has been threatened before and we're still around to tackle anyone who thinks he can take it from us now! Hitler and his loot-crazed barbarians will find the farmer of Lexington and Concord still very much alive in the spirit of every modern American!
I wish that were still true today.:sad:

Anyways, I think I would prefer it if Marvel just left Steve Rogers dead and not profaned the intent of his original creators, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, by re-imagining him as a Liberal Socialist.

rearnakedchoke
06-17-2009, 01:58 PM
SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..

NateR
06-17-2009, 02:16 PM
SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..

If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.

rearnakedchoke
06-17-2009, 02:22 PM
If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.

Well I love America. I live in Toronto and the rest of Canada hates us Torontonians because they say we wish we were "Americans" .... I don't know how we try and act American. I am Canadian, but I feel America is our closest rivals. Doesn't mean we have to agree with everything ... Sure I am just one person ... but you are right ...

NateR
06-17-2009, 02:58 PM
Well I love America. I live in Toronto and the rest of Canada hates us Torontonians because they say we wish we were "Americans" .... I don't know how we try and act American. I am Canadian, but I feel America is our closest rivals. Doesn't mean we have to agree with everything ... Sure I am just one person ... but you are right ...

Well, there have always been sensible people, like yourself, who understand that, while America is not perfect, our nation has done a lot of good throughout our history. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world has always looked down on America and it's citizens.

rearnakedchoke
06-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Well, there have always been sensible people, like yourself, who understand that, while America is not perfect, our nation has done a lot of good throughout our history. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world has always looked down on America and it's citizens.
The way i see it is people are jealous ... people want their countries to be like the US and if they can't be like that, then talk smack ... that is all it is ... the US has found the success of having freedom and being successful at the same time and some coutries can't duplicate that success ... Look at the former USSR, they were a strong nation when under the Soviet regime, but the people wanted to listen to rock and roll and wear blue jeans, now they can, but the country is struggling ... so they look at the US with envy ... well, that is the way i see it ...........

Neezar
06-17-2009, 04:36 PM
SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..

Care to enlighten me on when that has EVER happened?

Neezar
06-17-2009, 04:38 PM
:ashamed: Opps. Nevermind.


If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.

Neezar
06-17-2009, 04:41 PM
Today's positivity? I'm not seeing so much of that.




This is crazy times.

Crisco
06-17-2009, 04:43 PM
Today's positivity? I'm not seeing so much of that.




This is crazy times.

All depends where you live.

In the south everyone is worried there president is a socialist in the North everyone is jumping for joy just because their president is black.

Neezar
06-17-2009, 04:47 PM
All depends where you live.

In the south everyone is worried there president is a socialist in the North everyone is jumping for joy just because their president is black.

Okay. I guess that could be seen as positivity. :laugh:

rearnakedchoke
06-17-2009, 05:14 PM
All depends where you live.

In the south everyone is worried there president is a socialist in the North everyone is jumping for joy just because their president is black.

And in some cases it could be seen as people in the south are worried because the president is black and in the north people are jumping for joy because they believe their president can bring change ... both are right in some cases ...

Neezar
06-17-2009, 06:26 PM
And in some cases it could be seen as people in the south are worried because the president is black and in the north people are jumping for joy because they believe their president can bring change ... both are right in some cases ...

Contrary to popular belief, I find that the black and white people in the south live in better harmony than you might think. I passed the NCAACP chapter's building the other day and it is deserted, lack of business. Most people you see in the public eye speaking of these issues today are NOT from the south. We are doing pretty good down here while people still have this misconcieved notion that the racial war is still more prevelant in the south than anywhere else. I think that it may be quite the opposite.

County Mike
06-17-2009, 06:31 PM
Contrary to popular belief, I find that the black and white people in the south live in better harmony than you might think. I passed the NCAACP chapter's building the other day and it is deserted, lack of business. Most people you see in the public eye speaking of these issues today are NOT from the south. We are doing pretty good down here while people still have this misconcieved notion that the racial war is still more prevelant in the south than anywhere else. I think that it may be quite the opposite.


Very true. I was in Atlanta not long ago and most of the people there were black. They were also some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Way nicer than the people in the northeast and race never seemed to be an issue at all.

Llamafighter
06-17-2009, 06:33 PM
Contrary to popular belief, I find that the black and white people in the south live in better harmony than you might think. I passed the NCAACP chapter's building the other day and it is deserted, lack of business. Most people you see in the public eye speaking of these issues today are NOT from the south. We are doing pretty good down here while people still have this misconcieved notion that the racial war is still more prevelant in the south than anywhere else. I think that it may be quite the opposite.

Agreed!

VCURamFan
06-17-2009, 07:27 PM
Very true. I was in Atlanta not long ago and most of the people there were black. They were also some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Way nicer than the people in the northeast and race never seemed to be an issue at all. +1 Contrary to popular belief, I find that the black and white people in the south live in better harmony than you might think. I passed the NCAACP chapter's building the other day and it is deserted, lack of business. Most people you see in the public eye speaking of these issues today are NOT from the south. We are doing pretty good down here while people still have this misconcieved notion that the racial war is still more prevelant in the south than anywhere else. I think that it may be quite the opposite. +2

I'm sick & tired of people assuming that conservatives/southerners hate black people (coughcoughKANYEWESTcoughcough). To assume something of my character, based solely on my skin color & geographical place of residence, is racism. Pure & simple.

Crisco
06-17-2009, 07:31 PM
+1 +2

I'm sick & tired of people assuming that conservatives/southerners hate black people (coughcoughKANYEWESTcoughcough). To assume something of my character, based solely on my skin color & geographical place of residence, is racism. Pure & simple.

Well them I'm a racist sir because I feel you are a honkey racist who hates inuit's from Alaska.

There I said it. You've been called out.

NateR
06-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Contrary to popular belief, I find that the black and white people in the south live in better harmony than you might think. I passed the NCAACP chapter's building the other day and it is deserted, lack of business. Most people you see in the public eye speaking of these issues today are NOT from the south. We are doing pretty good down here while people still have this misconcieved notion that the racial war is still more prevelant in the south than anywhere else. I think that it may be quite the opposite.

I would agree with that completely. One of the greatest benefits of being in the Army is getting to meet people from all over the country. I can tell you that the most racist white people I ever knew were from the Northern states like Minnesota, Oregon and Washington. I don't think I ever met a white supremacist from a southern state.

However, of all the racist people I met in the Army, I can say that probably 90% of them were black or hispanic. Over ten years in the Army and I can still count the number of racist whites that I met on one hand.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
06-23-2009, 07:13 AM
I don't care about him being Black or half whatever! I don't like him cause I think he's a crooked Communist!

Rev
06-24-2009, 08:31 PM
I don't care about him being Black or half whatever! I don't like him cause I think he's a crooked Communist!
I'm with that guy! lol
I am a preacher in South Louisiana but was raised in north Idaho. While there are still some racist whites in the south, the strongest force of racist poison is being pushed by the liberals into the minds of poor black people and telling them that the whites and the republican party are responsible for the problems they face.

God help us.

surveyorshawn
06-29-2009, 11:06 PM
I'm with that guy! lol
I am a preacher in South Louisiana but was raised in north Idaho. While there are still some racist whites in the south, the strongest force of racist poison is being pushed by the liberals into the minds of poor black people and telling them that the whites and the republican party are responsible for the problems they face.

God help us.

Very true!!! I have had several conservative black friends, some of whom have been my best friends over the years, and they have told me the same things

Chris Wescott
07-02-2009, 08:04 PM
I agree with you fellow junior member...

If we would all acknowledge and take accountability for the consequences of our actions all this poor me stuff would cease to exist.

I'm with that guy! lol
I am a preacher in South Louisiana but was raised in north Idaho. While there are still some racist whites in the south, the strongest force of racist poison is being pushed by the liberals into the minds of poor black people and telling them that the whites and the republican party are responsible for the problems they face.

God help us.