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J.B.
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
First I am going to share a short story, then ask a question...

Today, I was tuned in to AM 670 "The Score", a local sports-talk radio station based out of Chicago. The Score is the exclusive radio home of the Chicago White Sox, so needless to say, I am pretty much tuned in all day everyday for the entire baseball season. Today's game was delayed due to rain, and while we waited, the afternoon team of Boers and Bernstien began broadcasting their usual show. Now, granted, ANYBODY who has listened to their show knows that these two LOVE to rile people up.

The topic of discussion was Jay Cutler, the new Quarterback for the Chicago Bears. Former Bears coach, who needs no introduction, Mike Ditka came out in the press the other day and made a comment that Cutler still needs to prove himself in Chicago, because after all he still has YET to even play a single game. A fair statement, from a man with EXCELLENT credentials in the sport of football. So, in a ridiculous tirade, Terry Boers claims that Chicago fans are stupid, and that Mike Ditka is stupid because he was at a Sarah Palin rally. Now, it's no secret that Ditka is a republican. He almost ran for office in Chicago, and believe me, he will win if he ever does.

Boers then goes on to say that David Letterman should never have apologized for his comments about Sarah Palin's daughter earlier in the week. For those who are unfamiliar, Letterman made a joke saying that when Palin attended a Yankees game during her visit to New York, her daughter got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez (a player for the Yankees). What Letterman failed to realize was that the daughter who actually attended the game with Sarah Palin was not her 18 year old daughter Bristol, but rather her 14 year old daughter Willow.

As if that was not enough, Boers goes on to say that everybody knows Letterman was talking about the 18 year old daughter Bristol, and that because she is 18, she is "fair game". So, I took it upon myself to send a text message to the show, stating that I found it classless of them to attack a young girl solely based on her mother's political beliefs. 14, 18, it makes no difference.

Well, I got a response, both on the air, and in text....

Boers defense on the air, was more ridiculous snotty remarks, which were backed by his little side-kick Bernstien, akin to Robin being led around on a collar by Batman. However, what REALLY hit home, was the response he sent to my phone via text. He said...

"18-year old. Fair game. And a whore"

Wow. Even for this guy, I was truly shocked. What has become of our society where this is considered respectable behavior? I promptly responded and asked Boers if he intended to repeat that statement on the air, and he responded that the term "hosebag" is what he would use on the air (which he did not). He said that there are lots of things he would like to say on-air, but he is limited to "specific boundaries".

Really, "specific boundaries"? Even if the term "hosebag" carried the same negative connotation as "whore", which is DOES NOT, why wouldn't he be barred from saying that? Why is this guy allowed to spew hatred directed at a young girl he has never met and doesn't really know anything about, when he is SUPPOSED to be talking sports? Obviously, I would not type all this crap, or post it in the politics section if the heart of my gripe was rooted in his distaste for Mike Ditka. Da Coach is a big boy, he don't need my defense, but an 18, or a 14 year old girl? Boers is about 70 years old, even if he has an opinion, you would think that he knows where the line is drawn. Would he like it if somebody spoke of his children that way? How do you think Boers would react if a conservative made offensive comments about Obama's daughters? Well, considering that "The Score" is the home of the White Sox, and Obama is a BIG White Sox fan, I doubt you would hear ANYBODY condoning that kind of thing, nor should they. If they did, they would probably be fired.

Boers is considered by many to be a "respected journalist" in the Chicago area. I would have to say I disagree that he deserves much "respect".

Now, my question to the forum is, what do you guys think is acceptable when debating about political figures? Also, do you feel that people who have a large public forum, like a tv or radio show, should be held to a higher standard?

Surely terms like, "stupid", "idiot", and things of that nature are on one level, but I think this kind of stuff is WAY beyond that. I just cannot see how so many people rally to justify it. They say, "it's just comedy", or they are "fair game", but is that really true? Are they not human beings? Do their political beliefs being different than yours make them, and their families, "fair" targets for personal attacks?

I know this was kinda long, but I really needed to rant on that one. :wink:

NateR
06-12-2009, 02:21 AM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Unfortunately, this is the day of the liberal double standard in America. If you are a conservative, Christian, and/or Republican, then you are fair game for all kinds of slander, libel, personal attacks, or whatever would be considered tasteless, evil, or racist if aimed at a liberal Democrat.

J.B.
06-12-2009, 02:30 AM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Unfortunately, this is the day of the liberal double standard in America. If you are a conservative, Christian, and/or Republican, then you are fair game for all kinds of slander, libel, personal attacks, or whatever would be considered tasteless, evil, or racist if aimed at a liberal Democrat.

I agree completely, and I have a feeling that MOST of this forum will too.

I guess I was just so taken-a-back by his response, which is personalized because it was directly to me, that I felt the need to talk about it. I seriously wish I could take some sort of action to get Boers name out there and tell people what a piece of crap he is, but another part of me feels like it's pointless.

Maybe if I wrote Bill O'Reilly a letter about it, he would look into it and comment on it. I know he has MUCH bigger fish to fry, but that is also kinda what he does. Ya know, exposing people in the media who are out of line. Then at the same time, I don't want to give this guy the satisfaction. I don't know, I guess in a way I consider myself somewhat of a cynic, similar to Boers, but I also know the difference between right and wrong, and that is what has me so steamed.

NateR
06-12-2009, 02:38 AM
I agree completely, and I have a feeling that MOST of this forum will too.

I guess I was just so taken-a-back by his response, which is personalized because it was directly to me, that I felt the need to talk about it. I seriously wish I could take some sort of action to get Boers name out there and tell people what a piece of crap he is, but another part of me feels like it's pointless.

Maybe if I wrote Bill O'Reilly a letter about it, he would look into it and comment on it. I know he has MUCH bigger fish to fry, but that is also kinda what he does. Ya know, exposing people in the media who are out of line. Then at the same time, I don't want to give this guy the satisfaction. I don't know, I guess in a way I consider myself somewhat of a cynic, similar to Boers, but I also know the difference between right and wrong, and that is what has me so steamed.

I've never even heard of this Boers guy, probably for good reason. :laugh:

J.B.
06-12-2009, 02:50 AM
I've never even heard of this Boers guy, probably for good reason. :laugh:

See, that's why I doubt O'Reilly would even give it the time of day, but still.

He is a sports journalist, so he's off the radar, but he is not the only one "off the radar" who is doing this. I guess I think they should be pointed out. Maybe I'll start a website or something....:Whistle:

I wonder if LIBTARD.com is taken?

EDIT: Yes, it is.

J.B.
06-12-2009, 02:58 AM
For the record, here is a picture of Boers...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/shockdamonkey/3542879.jpg

Here is a guy who calls Brett Favre a hillbilly and makes fun of him for wearing Wrangler jeans. Yet, his comb-over and Hawaiian shirt, and creepy stock double image, SCREAM pedophile. No wonder he enjoys making deplorable comments about young girls.

He's about 70 years old, shoot him with a taser gun! :wink:

NateR
06-12-2009, 03:03 AM
He's about 70 years old, shoot him with a taser gun! :wink:

Actually, he's too young for that. Wait a couple of years after he's committed a minor traffic offense. :laugh: We all know that's who tasers were designed for - retirees who have committed misdemeanors. :rolleyes:

J.B.
06-12-2009, 03:12 AM
Actually, he's too young for that. Wait a couple of years after he's committed a minor traffic offense. :laugh: We all know that's who tasers were designed for - retirees who have committed misdemeanors. :rolleyes:


:laugh:

Whats funny is that I could actually see that happening in Chicago. He seems like a cantankerous old man, one who would probably raise a stink over a traffic ticket. Only difference is, they don't tase people in Chicago, they beat the crap out of them! :wink:

logrus
06-12-2009, 04:33 AM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Unfortunately, this is the day of the liberal double standard in America. If you are a conservative, Christian, and/or Republican, then you are fair game for all kinds of slander, libel, personal attacks, or whatever would be considered tasteless, evil, or racist if aimed at a liberal Democrat.

During the presidential race a lot of the forum said it was ok to personally attack their wives, relatives, and friends and many said that they were fair game. Personally I don't see the difference between them and a 18 year old and if one was fair game then so should the other.

Anyways I thought the Dave joke was tasteless in the fact that it was directed at a very young lady and a young mother who did the right thing after doing the wrong thing. Who really wants nothing to do with the spot light not like celebs and what not.

J.B.
06-12-2009, 04:48 AM
During the presidential race a lot of the forum said it was ok to personally attack their wives, relatives, and friends and many said that they were fair game. Personally I don't see the difference between them and a 18 year old and if one was fair game then so should the other.

Anyways I thought the Dave joke was tasteless in the fact that it was directed at a very young lady and a young mother who did the right thing after doing the wrong thing. Who really wants nothing to do with the spot light not like celebs and what not.

C'mon bro..Really?

I know the forum has changed since then, and you can't dig it up, but can you actually give a specific memory of something to this degree happening on this forum? Also, should it matter if they are 18 or 14, considering the guy doing the dirty talk is an old man?

I'm game. :)

ufcfan2
06-12-2009, 05:12 AM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Unfortunately, this is the day of the liberal double standard in America. If you are a conservative, Christian, and/or Republican, then you are fair game for all kinds of slander, libel, personal attacks, or whatever would be considered tasteless, evil, or racist if aimed at a liberal Democrat.
I agree with the attacking the children is wrong no matter what ur are liberal,conservitive,democrat,republican you really shouldn't attack ones children. Eventhough she may of done wrong,but what teenager hasn't made mistakes in their lives..

atomdanger
06-12-2009, 05:25 AM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Agreed.

A lot of the time I think they should leave peoples family out of it.

Bonnie
06-12-2009, 06:47 AM
I agree completely, and I have a feeling that MOST of this forum will too.

I guess I was just so taken-a-back by his response, which is personalized because it was directly to me, that I felt the need to talk about it. I seriously wish I could take some sort of action to get Boers name out there and tell people what a piece of crap he is, but another part of me feels like it's pointless.

Maybe if I wrote Bill O'Reilly a letter about it, he would look into it and comment on it. I know he has MUCH bigger fish to fry, but that is also kinda what he does. Ya know, exposing people in the media who are out of line. Then at the same time, I don't want to give this guy the satisfaction. I don't know, I guess in a way I consider myself somewhat of a cynic, similar to Boers, but I also know the difference between right and wrong, and that is what has me so steamed.

I agree too!!! What happened to Sarah Palin during the elections and is still happening to her and her family, I think, is beyond the pale of any acceptable "political" digs. From the get-go, she had a target on her back not only from men but from women too. I thought families were off limits especially children, but I guess if you're a woman running for a high office, all bets are off and anything goes.

I don't know what David Letterman or anybody else thinks is funny about that "joke" he told no matter how old her child is. As for that pansy ass "jounalist", he should be exposed. You ought to get in touch with Greta Van Susteren, JB. She's been talking about this the last few nights on her show. I don't know if you watch her, but she's one of the few people I can still watch who actually tries to be professional and fair (from what I've seen). Greta asked tonight, "Where are all the feminists? Why are none of them coming to Palin's defense or speaking out like they did when Imus screwed up with his comments of the ladies' basketball team?" I guess they're still in the same place they were when this was happening during the elections. No one was allowed to say anything about Michelle Obama or her kids then or now. I saw/see nothing comparable to what's been going on with Palin.

And for the guys out there who think like that old geezer on the radio that Palin's daughter or any girl or woman who lays down with a guy w/o the benefit of marriage (whether she gets "knocked-up" or not) is a whore, just remember she's not lying there alone. So, as far as I'm concerned, if she's a whore, so is he!

J.B.
06-12-2009, 08:02 AM
I agree too!!! What happened to Sarah Palin during the elections and is still happening to her and her family, I think, is beyond the pale of any acceptable "political" digs. From the get-go, she had a target on her back not only from men but from women too. I thought families were off limits especially children, but I guess if you're a woman running for a high office, all bets are off and anything goes.

I don't know what David Letterman or anybody else thinks is funny about that "joke" he told no matter how old her child is. As for that pansy ass "jounalist", he should be exposed. You ought to get in touch with Greta Van Susteren, JB. She's been talking about this the last few nights on her show. I don't know if you watch her, but she's one of the few people I can still watch who actually tries to be professional and fair (from what I've seen). Greta asked tonight, "Where are all the feminists? Why are none of them coming to Palin's defense or speaking out like they did when Imus screwed up with his comments of the ladies' basketball team?" I guess they're still in the same place they were when this was happening during the elections. No one was allowed to say anything about Michelle Obama or her kids then or now. I saw/see nothing comparable to what's been going on with Palin.

And for the guys out there who think like that old geezer on the radio that Palin's daughter or any girl or woman who lays down with a guy w/o the benefit of marriage (whether she gets "knocked-up" or not) is a whore, just remember she's not lying there alone. So, as far as I'm concerned, if she's a whore, so is he!

I agree Bonnie!

Yes, I watch Greta, she rocks! :)

KENTUCKYREDBONE
06-12-2009, 08:12 AM
I have always believed that the Kids should especially be off limits! In fact I challenge anyone to provide an example of me saying anything mean about Obama's kid's. While I think Obama is a crooked Communist and have said so I leave his kids out of it. In fact I can't remember any Republicans attacking his kids in anywhere near the Fashion the Palin family was attacked by the libs! Maybe you could write a letter to the editer pointing out this lack of decency. Be sure and explain that you would also be upset if it was anybody Else's kids being attacked. The way the press is going after her they must still see her as a threat to their Chosen one!

J.B.
06-12-2009, 08:30 AM
I have always believed that the Kids should especially be off limits! In fact I challenge anyone to provide an example of me saying anything mean about Obama's kid's. While I think Obama is a crooked Communist and have said so I leave his kids out of it. In fact I can't remember any Republicans attacking his kids in anywhere near the Fashion the Palin family was attacked by the libs! Maybe you could write a letter to the editer pointing out this lack of decency. Be sure and explain that you would also be upset if it was anybody Else's kids being attacked. The way the press is going after her they must still see her as a threat to their Chosen one!

Thats' another point I was trying to raise, it seems like an institutional problem.

Obviously "talk-radio" is MOSTLY controlled by conservatives, if you look at it, there is no question. However, it just seems this kind of behavior is only manifested through mouthpieces of the liberal persuasion in this day and age. Though, I don't doubt there are crazies on the right doing this stuff, I just don't see it happening at the same levels as it does on the left.

NateR
06-12-2009, 08:41 AM
How many conservative commentators, comedians, talk-radio hosts, etc. attacked Chelsea Clinton while Bill was in office? It'd would be interesting to know if it ever happened and what the reaction was from the left.

I do seem to remember all the attacks on the Bush twins during the previous administration. However, they might have brought a lot of that on themselves with their antics.

J.B.
06-12-2009, 08:49 AM
How many conservative commentators, comedians, talk-radio hosts, etc. attacked Chelsea Clinton while Bill was in office? It'd would be interesting to know if it ever happened and what the reaction was from the left.

I do seem to remember all the attacks on the Bush twins during the previous administration. However, they might have brought a lot of that on themselves with their antics.

I have heard this SAME question raised in recent days and time and time again, the same answer comes up. NOBODY went after Chelsea Clinton in any way comparable to the deplorable comments we have heard from the left in reference to Sarah Palin and her family.

Bonnie
06-12-2009, 09:08 AM
It was brought up on Greta tonight that David Letterman "knocked-up" his then girlfriend and didn't marry her (his son's mother) until just recently, I believe, they said five years after the fact. They were just trying to show the "hipocracy" of Letterman using Palin's unwed daughter having a baby as a joke/punchline.

You'd think her daughter was the only young woman to ever get pregnant out of wedlock the way they've carried on. Some people are saying Sarah Palin is a hipocrite because of her stand on abstinence when her own daughter got pregnant. I'll I can say, is "get real"! You can be the best parent on earth and your kid can still take a wrong turn.

These people better watch out for the ricochet that's coming their way. :wink:

J.B.
06-12-2009, 09:15 AM
It was brought up on Greta tonight that David Letterman "knocked-up" his then girlfriend and didn't marry her (his son's mother) until just recently, I believe, they said five years after the fact. They were just trying to show the "hipocracy" of Letterman using Palin's unwed daughter having a baby as a joke/punchline.

You'd think her daughter was the only young woman to ever get pregnant out of wedlock the way they've carried on. Some people are saying Sarah Palin is a hipocrite because of her stand on abstinence when her own daughter got pregnant. I'll I can say, is "get real"! You can be the best parent on earth and your kid can still take a wrong turn.

These people better watch out for the ricochet that's coming their way. :wink:

EXACTLY!

Even the ladies on THE VIEW knew what Letterman said was wrong. Well, except for Joy Behar, she is just a die-hard liberal and will NEVER agree with anything that could possibly empower the right wing in ANY way. Besides, Letterman's joke was NOT EVEN FUNNY. Not only was it out of line, and offensive, I just did not see the connection between A-Rod and Palin's daughter. He is old and meaningless, he can go away any time now, TYVM. :wink:

J.B.
06-12-2009, 09:25 AM
Oh, and I did actually decide to send Bill O'Reilly an email with my story. I don't expect any response, since it's pretty much a needle in a haystack. Still, I have been an O'Reilly follower for quite a while now, and I actually consider him a primary influence in my love for broadcasting and journalism.

I have never wrote Mr. O'Reilly anything like this before, and even if he does not mention it on air, I would just like to know that he read the story. It's like, if O'Reilly wrote me back and just said, "Yes, JB, he is a pinhead", all would be well in the Rattlesnake's world again! :laugh:

Crisco
06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
I think Bristol is hot.

There I said it. Everyone was thinking it.

CAVEMAN
06-12-2009, 02:59 PM
I have never heard this Boers guy before, but sounds like a typical bleeding heart liberal who likes to demonize any one who does not share in his point of view. Hey JB.....you might try sending Glen Beck an email as well.:)

atomdanger
06-12-2009, 06:52 PM
The even more odd thing to me, is that she isn't even running anymore.
Its over, Obama won. So... not only is she not running,
but nobody cared about the Governor of Alaska before, leave her kids alone

Crisco
06-16-2009, 05:02 PM
Oh, and I did actually decide to send Bill O'Reilly an email with my story. I don't expect any response, since it's pretty much a needle in a haystack. Still, I have been an O'Reilly follower for quite a while now, and I actually consider him a primary influence in my love for broadcasting and journalism.

I have never wrote Mr. O'Reilly anything like this before, and even if he does not mention it on air, I would just like to know that he read the story. It's like, if O'Reilly wrote me back and just said, "Yes, JB, he is a pinhead", all would be well in the Rattlesnake's world again! :laugh:

True Story:

This kid I knew in highschool is friends with O'Reilly's nephew or something and the kid I know lost both of his parents and was living with his sister and Bill O'Reilly being the cool dude that he is bought him a nice used beamer as a grad gift.

This kid was actually a huge douche bag at time but usually only around his friends. If you got him alone he was a cool kid.

Buzzard
06-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Just because someone's mother or father runs for political office, doesn't mean that their children are open to attack. 14, 18, 5, 35, it doesn't matter, the media should leave them alone.

Unfortunately, this is the day of the liberal double standard in America. If you are a conservative, Christian, and/or Republican, then you are fair game for all kinds of slander, libel, personal attacks, or whatever would be considered tasteless, evil, or racist if aimed at a liberal Democrat.


Is it a double standard when Limbaugh says the crap he spews? You keep playing the "I'm a victim because I'm a conservative christian" card and it really is amusing.

NateR
06-16-2009, 07:05 PM
Is it a double standard when Limbaugh says the crap he spews? You keep playing the "I'm a victim because I'm a conservative christian" card and it really is amusing.

Show me one instance where Limbaugh has attacked the virtue of any politician's child. Besides, Rush doesn't even need to insult anyone to be attacked left and right by the media.

No one is playing a victim card here, just pointing out a blatantly obvious double standard.

Buzzard
06-16-2009, 09:48 PM
Show me one instance where Limbaugh has attacked the virtue of any politician's child. Besides, Rush doesn't even need to insult anyone to be attacked left and right by the media.

No one is playing a victim card here, just pointing out a blatantly obvious double standard.


Remember when Rush called Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog"? I do.

NateR
06-16-2009, 10:31 PM
Remember when Rush called Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog"? I do.

I didn't think it was Rush who said that. I'd have to hear that audio clip (or video clip) again.

Regardless of who said it, it was wrong and I'm not trying to excuse it.

atomdanger
06-16-2009, 11:11 PM
I think Bristol is hot.

There I said it. Everyone was thinking it.

+1

J.B.
06-16-2009, 11:49 PM
Is it a double standard when Limbaugh says the crap he spews? You keep playing the "I'm a victim because I'm a conservative christian" card and it really is amusing.


See rather than attacking what is HAPPENING IN THE HERE AND NOW, you just find a way to keep attacking a conservative. What Rush said was wrong, and it would not be the first time.

Do you condone what Letterman said?

Jonlion
06-17-2009, 12:32 AM
I think if someone stands for office or whatever roles in the public eye (actors, etc etc) have to allow for a certain ridicule, criticisms, some tasteful, others not but can be called fair game. Their is of course boundaries here as well.

However people who haven't chose that such as Sarah Palin's daughter or Obama's or George Bush's children should never have to bear such things.

Buzzard
06-17-2009, 02:44 AM
See rather than attacking what is HAPPENING IN THE HERE AND NOW, you just find a way to keep attacking a conservative. What Rush said was wrong, and it would not be the first time.

Do you condone what Letterman said?

I haven't heard yet what he said, so I'm in no position to condone or rail against him for it. I only read about it through this forum and other online sources within the past fifteen minutes. If I do recall though, Bristol Palin was interviewed on her own after the elections and talked of her personal life, baby, etc. She then became a public figure on her own. Her pitching abstinence while becoming pregnant and having a baby out of wedlock opened her up for jabs. If she didn't want the attention, good or bad, she should have stayed out of the public eye and not sounded hypocritical in her views on abstinence.

How did I "just find a way to keep attacking a conservative?" Is it because I said Nate uses his "conservative christian" victim card? I've seen that card played often here.

J.B.
06-17-2009, 03:58 AM
I haven't heard yet what he said, so I'm in no position to condone or rail against him for it. I only read about it through this forum and other online sources within the past fifteen minutes. If I do recall though, Bristol Palin was interviewed on her own after the elections and talked of her personal life, baby, etc. She then became a public figure on her own. Her pitching abstinence while becoming pregnant and having a baby out of wedlock opened her up for jabs. If she didn't want the attention, good or bad, she should have stayed out of the public eye and not sounded hypocritical in her views on abstinence.

How did I "just find a way to keep attacking a conservative?" Is it because I said Nate uses his "conservative christian" victim card? I've seen that card played often here.


See, WHY would you even respond with that post?

You are only out to rip on conservatives. You could have easily gathered what Letterman said, based on what I posted (but I am sure you think I am probably lying), or done a simple Google or YouTube. It would have taken you two minutes to do.

Instead, you try to make a comparison to something Rush Limbaugh said that WAS ALSO OUT OF LINE. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Nobody is on here justifying what Rush said. Also, if you did miss what Letterman said, then you have not been watching the news all week.

It does NOT matter that Bristol Palin had a daughter out of wedlock, yet still preaches abstinence. How old are you Buzzard? You cannot be a mature adult, or much of a man if you think it's okay to take shots at young girls, especially one who ONLY HAS A PLATFORM BECAUSE OF HER MOM'S POLITICAL POPULARITY. I DON'T CARE IF SHE IS 18 or 14. It shows NO class, and is a defenseless action in my opinion. If 10 years from now, Bristol is preaching one thing and doing another, and still has any sort of significant public platform, then you would have a case for taking shots at her. However, a young girl who is trying to do the right thing in her heart after making a mistake is not somebody you should be talking crap about. It's shows very little moral fiber to do so.

Buzzard
06-17-2009, 05:41 PM
See, WHY would you even respond with that post?

I responded with that post because that is the post I responded with.


You are only out to rip on conservatives. You could have easily gathered what Letterman said, based on what I posted (but I am sure you think I am probably lying), or done a simple Google or YouTube. It would have taken you two minutes to do.

I'm not out to rip on conservatives. I may rip on some of their policies, just as you and others like to rip on non-conservative policies. I was honest with you in not having heard about it until here. Would you rather I lied about it? Why would I think you are lying about it? You seem to be honest and haven't shown me any reasons to think of you as a liar. After I posted my response yesterday, I did search for the original source material and heard it with my own ears.



Instead, you try to make a comparison to something Rush Limbaugh said that WAS ALSO OUT OF LINE. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Nobody is on here justifying what Rush said. Also, if you did miss what Letterman said, then you have not been watching the news all week.

Yes, I brought up the Rush quote to show that conservatives also play that game. I wanted to keep it balanced. You are correct in that I haven't watched the news all week.


It does NOT matter that Bristol Palin had a daughter out of wedlock, yet still preaches abstinence.

Yes it does. Practice what you preach.


How old are you Buzzard? You cannot be a mature adult, or much of a man if you think it's okay to take shots at young girls, especially one who ONLY HAS A PLATFORM BECAUSE OF HER MOM'S POLITICAL POPULARITY. I DON'T CARE IF SHE IS 18 or 14. It shows NO class, and is a defenseless action in my opinion.

She is a young adult now, and became a public figure because of her mother and then because of herself when she allowed herself to be interview by a big news agency. Letterman's joke seemed more of a jab at A-rod and the other guy he joked about rather than Bristol. I'm not saying the joke was a class act, in fact it wasn't. It still was just a joke. Did you see the response from Letterman about it? I almost think that Sarah Palin used that to keep herself in the spotlight.


If 10 years from now, Bristol is preaching one thing and doing another, and still has any sort of significant public platform, then you would have a case for taking shots at her. However, a young girl who is trying to do the right thing in her heart after making a mistake is not somebody you should be talking crap about. It's shows very little moral fiber to do so.

It sure hasn't stopped members of this forum from taking shots at another in the news young female celebrity. I sure didn't see you say anything about how it showed a lack of moral fiber to those that participated in that thread. I think it would be safe to say that I have a strong moral code which I follow, and I do it for myself. You judging me makes me laugh.

Just remember, if you put yourself in the spotlight, don't complain about the attention, good or bad. For the record, I too thought the joke was in bad taste.

J.B.
06-17-2009, 06:11 PM
Buzzard, again, you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Megan Fox went out on a limb and said....

can you just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super bible-beating people in Middle America?

That is a VERY offensive comment, and she is a little bit older that 18. However, I commented in that thread and did not make any jokes about her being knocked up at a baseball game. I just said not to spend money on her movies.

There is NOTHING offensive about preaching abstinence to young women. Bristol Palin has every right to do that, and her experience makes her a good candidate to do so. It just bothers you that she is a conservative, that's the double standard. You can mention Rush, but you are only doing it to argue with conservatives on this forum, not to make an actual point. Nobody should condone bad behavior and try to justify it by pointing to other bad behavior.

Oh, and if you TRULY think that Letterman was trying to take a shot at A-Rod, then I cannot help you. You are too far gone. :wacko: Sure, it's "just a joke", until somebody makes it about your daughter, or your side of the argument.

Neezar
06-17-2009, 06:15 PM
Instead, you try to make a comparison to something Rush Limbaugh said that WAS ALSO OUT OF LINE. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Nobody is on here justifying what Rush said. Also, if you did miss what Letterman said, then you have not been watching the news all week.



That is what my children do! :laugh: "Well he hit me yesterday!" "He kicked my dirt hill down the other day. So that is why I hit him on the head with my tonka truck!"



No need in pointing out correct behavior because they both play that game, right? :rolleyes:

J.B.
06-17-2009, 06:25 PM
That is what my children do! :laugh: "Well he hit me yesterday!" "He kicked my dirt hill down the other day. So that is why I hit him on the head with my tonka truck!"



No need in pointing out correct behavior because they both play that game, right? :rolleyes:

:laugh:

very true! :)