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Jonlion
05-05-2009, 12:13 AM
I was just thinking about this after reading Irish Pride's post.

And it got me thinking that Matt as been unlucky i perhaps become undisputed greatest ever Champion across divisions.

First of, the TUF 2. Now just imagine if Tanner had dispached of Franklin, it coulda happened!!!!!! Now then a dominant Matt Hughes with few challengers left would of gone up against Evan Tanner. With all credit and respect to Evan (and its nice to spare a thought for him at this moment) i truly think Matt Hughes would of beaten him.

That would of mean Hughes owning the WW and MW belt. Who cares how it went down after that, the fact is Matt would have held both at consecuative times. Randy and the rest of them would be below Matt completly!

Then the second part is that Hughes has the opportunity to fight Serra for the WW title which i have no doubt of the outcome. That would only of gone to further enshrine Matt as the greatest ever. It would have been sweet!

Well anyways we'll just have to make do with a Serra beatdown on the 18th and Matt takign a slightly longer route to the WW title but just thought this was worth musing.


Good luck Matt, hope training is going well.

Sugar Shane
05-05-2009, 01:06 AM
I was just thinking about this after reading Irish Pride's post.

And it got me thinking that Matt as been unlucky i perhaps become undisputed greatest ever Champion across divisions.

First of, the TUF 2. Now just imagine if Tanner had dispached of Franklin, it coulda happened!!!!!! Now then a dominant Matt Hughes with few challengers left would of gone up against Evan Tanner. With all credit and respect to Evan (and its nice to spare a thought for him at this moment) i truly think Matt Hughes would of beaten him.

That would of mean Hughes owning the WW and MW belt. Who cares how it went down after that, the fact is Matt would have held both at consecuative times. Randy and the rest of them would be below Matt completly!

Then the second part is that Hughes has the opportunity to fight Serra for the WW title which i have no doubt of the outcome. That would only of gone to further enshrine Matt as the greatest ever. It would have been sweet!

Well anyways we'll just have to make do with a Serra beatdown on the 18th and Matt takign a slightly longer route to the WW title but just thought this was worth musing.


Good luck Matt, hope training is going well.

The fight is on the 23rd.........and WAR MATT!!!!!!!!!!! W000000000000000T!!!!

cheachea
05-05-2009, 01:23 AM
It boggles my mind how anyone could doubt Matt in anyway. The guy has 42 FREAKIN WINS !!! He is A 9 TIME WW Champion !! He has beat bj penn and GSP also. It is just really strange to see people doubt him and honestly it's really irritating. No one can take away all the accomplishments that he has achieved.

Mac
05-05-2009, 02:07 AM
It always got to me , the fact the he should actually be the 11 time world champ , If Riggs wouldnt have been lazy and made weight then that would have made matt the 10 time champ , and if serra wouldnt have gotten hurt he would have been the 11 time champ.

VCURamFan
05-05-2009, 02:29 AM
It always got to me , the fact the he should actually be the 11 time world champ , If Riggs wouldnt have been lazy and made weight then that would have made matt the 10 time champ , and if serra wouldnt have gotten hurt he would have been the 11 time champ.Yeah, that's bugged me, too.

Spiritwalker
05-05-2009, 02:48 AM
Don't forget that Gracie guy....But that an "agreed on catch weight" fight wasn't it?

lc87
05-05-2009, 05:21 AM
ya but they should have scheduled it at 170 instead of the 177 i think it was. like that 7 pounds would have been hard for either athlete to make. so ill consider him 12 time champ in my book

Jonlion
05-05-2009, 09:38 AM
Yeah I don't doubt Matt's legacy and status in the sport. Some idiots out there do!

However as Mac said, Riggs would of made it 10 time, Serra 11 time WW champion!

Whatever way that would have enhanced Hughes's record. More importantly some of the new fan;s without knowledge may of learnt more about the dominant Matt Hughes if he has got the fight against Serra when scheduled.

And like i say, Hughes V Tanner, we know the winner!!!!!!!!!!

That would of been awesome!

Llamafighter
05-05-2009, 01:14 PM
It always got to me , the fact the he should actually be the 11 time world champ , If Riggs wouldnt have been lazy and made weight then that would have made matt the 10 time champ , and if serra wouldnt have gotten hurt he would have been the 11 time champ.

No doubt he would have regained the title against Serra. I think we'll see Matt at least get #10 back. something tells me it will be a rematch with Thiago for the belt.

Tyburn
05-07-2009, 12:51 PM
I was just thinking about this after reading Irish Pride's post.

And it got me thinking that Matt as been unlucky i perhaps become undisputed greatest ever Champion across divisions.

First of, the TUF 2. Now just imagine if Tanner had dispached of Franklin, it coulda happened!!!!!! Now then a dominant Matt Hughes with few challengers left would of gone up against Evan Tanner. With all credit and respect to Evan (and its nice to spare a thought for him at this moment) i truly think Matt Hughes would of beaten him.

That would of mean Hughes owning the WW and MW belt. Who cares how it went down after that, the fact is Matt would have held both at consecuative times. Randy and the rest of them would be below Matt completly!

Then the second part is that Hughes has the opportunity to fight Serra for the WW title which i have no doubt of the outcome. That would only of gone to further enshrine Matt as the greatest ever. It would have been sweet!

Well anyways we'll just have to make do with a Serra beatdown on the 18th and Matt takign a slightly longer route to the WW title but just thought this was worth musing.


Good luck Matt, hope training is going well.

I think you're forgetting that Matt has a life outside of Fighting...Thats what makes his legacy so special. He's not one of these Fighters who does nothing but fight, and thinks of nothing but MMA. He's not one of the guys who will crumble when they can no longer compete because who they are is identified by what they do in the Octagon.

You have to remember, for Matt this is more of a Hobby then it is the Career of his Life. He also is a farmer, and he also runs his own gym...His legacy has surpassed so many...and yet he NEVER set out to create one in the first place...thats whats so ironic...with all the others focused on nothing but creating a legacy.

For Hughes is simply just happened that way, and whilst it lasts its brilliant, and once its over he can move on without a tear.

In many ways, I reckon lots of the Other Fighters who have recently been blathering about holding multiple belts are so desperate its...a little bit tragic. THAT is unlucky...unlucky that two guys, Georges Saint Pierre, and Baby Jay Penn, and Anderson Silva even...who dedicate their whole life to nothing but MMA...combined cant manage to create what Hughes did in a hobby almost by accident.

Besides...Whose counting Hughes out? I mean, after he has smushed Serra, he might yet go to fight GSP, or Thiago Alves for the title...and then would he not be in a position to challenge Anderson Silva? Just think...two more years, perhaps, six more fights...and He'd retire with Two belts, the first and only to hold two consecutive at the same time. Have Avenged Alves, Have Beaten Georges Saint Pierre for the Title, have maybe defended it after that also. Perhaps had a warm up fight in Middleweight, before smushing Silva, and then possibly defending...and so would have had THREE Reigns with defences in the Welterweight Division, and One further reign with defending in the Middleweight division.

We dont know what might happen after Serra gets smushed...or as this isnt probably that huge a deal...he may just retire on a win...people seem to think he has something to gain, or something to lose...Truth is he has neither...His Legacy stands no matter what now, perhaps it can be extended, perhaps he doesnt feel the need. who knows...but I wouldnt say its Unlucky :laugh:

Jonlion
05-07-2009, 07:31 PM
I think you're forgetting that Matt has a life outside of Fighting...Thats what makes his legacy so special. He's not one of these Fighters who does nothing but fight, and thinks of nothing but MMA. He's not one of the guys who will crumble when they can no longer compete because who they are is identified by what they do in the Octagon.

You have to remember, for Matt this is more of a Hobby then it is the Career of his Life. He also is a farmer, and he also runs his own gym...His legacy has surpassed so many...and yet he NEVER set out to create one in the first place...thats whats so ironic...with all the others focused on nothing but creating a legacy.

For Hughes is simply just happened that way, and whilst it lasts its brilliant, and once its over he can move on without a tear.

In many ways, I reckon lots of the Other Fighters who have recently been blathering about holding multiple belts are so desperate its...a little bit tragic. THAT is unlucky...unlucky that two guys, Georges Saint Pierre, and Baby Jay Penn, and Anderson Silva even...who dedicate their whole life to nothing but MMA...combined cant manage to create what Hughes did in a hobby almost by accident.

Besides...Whose counting Hughes out? I mean, after he has smushed Serra, he might yet go to fight GSP, or Thiago Alves for the title...and then would he not be in a position to challenge Anderson Silva? Just think...two more years, perhaps, six more fights...and He'd retire with Two belts, the first and only to hold two consecutive at the same time. Have Avenged Alves, Have Beaten Georges Saint Pierre for the Title, have maybe defended it after that also. Perhaps had a warm up fight in Middleweight, before smushing Silva, and then possibly defending...and so would have had THREE Reigns with defences in the Welterweight Division, and One further reign with defending in the Middleweight division.

We dont know what might happen after Serra gets smushed...or as this isnt probably that huge a deal...he may just retire on a win...people seem to think he has something to gain, or something to lose...Truth is he has neither...His Legacy stands no matter what now, perhaps it can be extended, perhaps he doesnt feel the need. who knows...but I wouldnt say its Unlucky :laugh:


Thats not the point, Matt's legacy has been won by his hard work!

BUT Riggs ruined one title defense, Serra got injured and upset another surety that Matt would hold the Title again.

Just saying that had Franklin lost, Matt i swear would of beaten Tanner.

It doesnnt matter because Matt has one of the best legacies out there, but if it were not for outside forces he could have beenn more enhanced.

Not sayinng it will upset him or bother him, just saying with a little extra he could have had more.

VCURamFan
05-07-2009, 07:34 PM
FYI: when Matt beats sarah, he'll take co-ownership of yet another UFC record: most wins in the Octagon (tied with Chuck at 16).

Miss Foxy
05-07-2009, 07:36 PM
FYI: when Matt beats sarah, he'll take co-ownership of yet another UFC record: most wins in the Octagon (tied with Chuck at 16).
Shutup! I just love facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel like I just grew another wrinkle on my brain!! yaaaahhh!!:happydancing:

VCURamFan
05-07-2009, 07:47 PM
Shutup! I just love facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel like I just grew another wrinkle on my brain!! yaaaahhh!!:happydancing:I just gave Melissa a brain-gasm!:laugh:

Tyburn
05-07-2009, 09:07 PM
Thats not the point, Matt's legacy has been won by his hard work!

BUT Riggs ruined one title defense, Serra got injured and upset another surety that Matt would hold the Title again.

Just saying that had Franklin lost, Matt i swear would of beaten Tanner.

It doesnnt matter because Matt has one of the best legacies out there, but if it were not for outside forces he could have beenn more enhanced.

Not sayinng it will upset him or bother him, just saying with a little extra he could have had more.
The thing is, we dont know what would have happened if any one of those factors had been different...forget Joe Riggs, he wasnt supposed to be fighting Matt Hughes anyway...it was Karo Parisyan...now if HE hadnt hurt himself, Matt may well have blown through him AND Joe Riggs

Noone has it perfect :laugh:

Miss Foxy
05-07-2009, 09:53 PM
I don't think unlucky and MH belong in the same sentence. This thread keeps throwing me off. I wanna attack :punch: then I remember no one is bashing the fellow..

rearnakedchoke
05-07-2009, 10:36 PM
I think you're forgetting that Matt has a life outside of Fighting...Thats what makes his legacy so special. He's not one of these Fighters who does nothing but fight, and thinks of nothing but MMA. He's not one of the guys who will crumble when they can no longer compete because who they are is identified by what they do in the Octagon.

You have to remember, for Matt this is more of a Hobby then it is the Career of his Life. He also is a farmer, and he also runs his own gym...His legacy has surpassed so many...and yet he NEVER set out to create one in the first place...thats whats so ironic...with all the others focused on nothing but creating a legacy.

For Hughes is simply just happened that way, and whilst it lasts its brilliant, and once its over he can move on without a tear.

In many ways, I reckon lots of the Other Fighters who have recently been blathering about holding multiple belts are so desperate its...a little bit tragic. THAT is unlucky...unlucky that two guys, Georges Saint Pierre, and Baby Jay Penn, and Anderson Silva even...who dedicate their whole life to nothing but MMA...combined cant manage to create what Hughes did in a hobby almost by accident.

Besides...Whose counting Hughes out? I mean, after he has smushed Serra, he might yet go to fight GSP, or Thiago Alves for the title...and then would he not be in a position to challenge Anderson Silva? Just think...two more years, perhaps, six more fights...and He'd retire with Two belts, the first and only to hold two consecutive at the same time. Have Avenged Alves, Have Beaten Georges Saint Pierre for the Title, have maybe defended it after that also. Perhaps had a warm up fight in Middleweight, before smushing Silva, and then possibly defending...and so would have had THREE Reigns with defences in the Welterweight Division, and One further reign with defending in the Middleweight division.

We dont know what might happen after Serra gets smushed...or as this isnt probably that huge a deal...he may just retire on a win...people seem to think he has something to gain, or something to lose...Truth is he has neither...His Legacy stands no matter what now, perhaps it can be extended, perhaps he doesnt feel the need. who knows...but I wouldnt say its Unlucky :laugh:
after this he should go down to LW and take The Fraudigy's belt

logrus
05-07-2009, 10:40 PM
What if Hughes never pulled off one of the greatest come backs in UFC history when he survived a knee shoot and a gound attack to beat Trigg. You guys talkin bout Riggs and Gracie, and Serra, though I would throw that in there.

WHAT IF Matt Hughes lost to Trigg !!??!!

MattHughesRocks
05-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Something we'll never have to think about.:laugh:

What if Hughes never pulled off one of the greatest come backs in UFC history when he survived a knee shoot and a gound attack to beat Trigg. You guys talkin bout Riggs and Gracie, and Serra, though I would throw that in there.

WHAT IF Matt Hughes lost to Trigg !!??!!

Tyburn
05-07-2009, 10:56 PM
Something we'll never have to think about.:laugh:
:laugh: INDEED :laugh:

Jonlion
05-08-2009, 12:47 AM
The fact remains, Matt should of fought Serra for the belt, and now he wont because of Serra's injury.

The most important thing is that Matt beats Serra down, thats the result we all care about but Matt will be slightly unlucky not to be claiming the WW title when he wins it. I'll stand by that statement.

Tyburn
05-08-2009, 12:57 AM
The fact remains, Matt should of fought Serra for the belt, and now he wont because of Serra's injury.

The most important thing is that Matt beats Serra down, thats the result we all care about but Matt will be slightly unlucky not to be claiming the WW title when he wins it. I'll stand by that statement.
:ninja: its midnight...shouldnt you be in bed :laugh:

Jonlion
05-08-2009, 10:23 AM
:ninja: its midnight...shouldnt you be in bed :laugh:

Ha ha my time frames are all over the place!

Monday to Friday seems just like one long day, all i do is go library all day, come back a little , then spend the evening there doing my revision for two exams today!

Matt Hughes Forum is part of my brief intermissions!

Late last night i was reading about Tobert Count of Mortain. Morcar and Eadwine,, John of Worcester. Henry of Huntingdon, William of Poitiers and my personal hero, William FitzOsbern!

I Love my degree!

Tyburn
05-08-2009, 12:33 PM
Ha ha my time frames are all over the place!

Monday to Friday seems just like one long day, all i do is go library all day, come back a little , then spend the evening there doing my revision for two exams today!

Matt Hughes Forum is part of my brief intermissions!

Late last night i was reading about Tobert Count of Mortain. Morcar and Eadwine,, John of Worcester. Henry of Huntingdon, William of Poitiers and my personal hero, William FitzOsbern!

I Love my degree!
:blink: Sounds like it

My routine for sleep is 1am-7am Tuesday morning, 1am-7am wed morning, 1am-7am thursday morning 1am-7am friday morning, 12midnight-5am saturday morning 3pm-9pm saturday afternoon, 3am-9am sunday morning, 3am-9am monday morning

:laugh:

rearnakedchoke
05-08-2009, 02:09 PM
I don't think unlucky and MH belong in the same sentence. This thread keeps throwing me off. I wanna attack :punch: then I remember no one is bashing the fellow..
Not unlucky? you get kicked in the nads by GSP and Trigg and poked in the eye by BJ, not to mention kissed by BJ ... having people know you used to train with a guy who couldn't control his bowels in the cage ... that is unlucky as can be .. LOL