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GnP
04-30-2009, 08:40 AM
Good episode, two similar fights in as much as both were pretty dominant wins.

Signs of desperation from Hendo sending his best guy in as Teams Usa was getting smashed. Bisping continues to look a great coach until the last five mins of the show, I will be interested to see where he was.

either way the early confidence/arrogance about US mma being so far in advance of UK mma is now kinda out the window :)

Max
04-30-2009, 01:54 PM
Good episode, two similar fights in as much as both were pretty dominant wins.

Signs of desperation from Hendo sending his best guy in as Teams Usa was getting smashed. Bisping continues to look a great coach until the last five mins of the show, I will be interested to see where he was.

either way the early confidence/arrogance about US mma being so far in advance of UK mma is now kinda out the window :)
I dont really see the great coach thing from Bisping. So much of this show is the match ups and not the coaching IMO.

Im dont think the idea is out the window at all. I bet if you took the top guys from the UK and put them against the top guys from the US the US would win most of those matches. I dont think this show does anything to prove which country has better MMA fighters, but it does give us something to talk about.

County Mike
04-30-2009, 02:01 PM
either way the early confidence/arrogance about US mma being so far in advance of UK mma is now kinda out the window :)

That would be a good argument if the USA team wasn't so obviously watered down. There's no way they picked the best young fighters that the USA has to offer. From what I've seen so far, several of those guys would struggle to get through a class in my gym.

Bonnie
04-30-2009, 02:48 PM
I haven't seen last night's show yet, but I take it from your comments that we lost again! :wink:

Jonlion
04-30-2009, 03:46 PM
That would be a good argument if the USA team wasn't so obviously watered down. There's no way they picked the best young fighters that the USA has to offer. From what I've seen so far, several of those guys would struggle to get through a class in my gym.


:tongue0011:

You lameo Americans just can't hang witht he battaling Brits! a True island race! ha ha

I garuntee an American will win the thing! Im just glad it wont be a complete whitewash now!

GnP
04-30-2009, 03:57 PM
That would be a good argument if the USA team wasn't so obviously watered down. There's no way they picked the best young fighters that the USA has to offer. From what I've seen so far, several of those guys would struggle to get through a class in my gym.


HMMM sounds like excuses to me :tongue0011:

on a side note what do you train in? and where? just out of interest

logrus
04-30-2009, 04:49 PM
Ehhh in the end we will have the spots in the finals ala Hughes.

ufcfan2
04-30-2009, 04:54 PM
ya, the whole usa team is so immature I'm not sure how these guys got picked at all? There had to be better guys than these to pick from:wacko:

logrus
04-30-2009, 04:56 PM
ya, the whole usa team is so immature I'm not sure how these guys got picked at all? There had to be better guys than these to pick from:wacko:

Being immature is the only way most of the cast is cast lol.

County Mike
04-30-2009, 06:08 PM
HMMM sounds like excuses to me :tongue0011:

on a side note what do you train in? and where? just out of interest

http://www.EvoFightClub.com

MMA - Jiu Jitsu, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling, Ground n Pound. We train all of it.

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 06:46 PM
Dean Amasinger of Team U.K. had his back greased before the fight. You can see the cut man putting the Vaseline on his face and as he was motioned to enter the cage, the cut man touched him on his back! U.K. is full of cheaters! They better be happy BJ Penn isn't the coach! :scared0011:

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 06:59 PM
:tongue0011:

You lameo Americans just can't hang witht he battaling Brits! a True island race! ha ha

I garuntee an American will win the thing! Im just glad it wont be a complete whitewash now!
I think it will come down to DeMarques Johnson and David Faulkner in the WW division. Johnson brings a lot of experience, but Faulkner's coming from a great camp in the the Wolfslair - same place where Bisping and Rampage train.

Jonlion
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
I think it will come down to DeMarques Johnson and David Faulkner in the WW division. Johnson brings a lot of experience, but Faulkner's coming from a great camp in the the Wolfslair - same place where Bisping and Rampage train.


Yeah i think that Johnson is a cert isnt he!

i gotta wait to Sunday to watch this episode!

Tyburn
04-30-2009, 07:10 PM
i gotta wait to Sunday to watch this episode!
me too

the UFC treat the British like second rate citizens :angry:

VCURamFan
04-30-2009, 07:13 PM
me too

the UFC treat the British like second rate citizens :angry: :happydancing::tongue0011::Whistle:

Tyburn
04-30-2009, 07:23 PM
:happydancing::tongue0011::Whistle:
Well at least it was good for you :happydancing:

warriorlion
04-30-2009, 09:21 PM
dont think you can take alot from demarwues win. Dean has a suspect ground game, what he does have is good strength, but he ges caught with a triangle, he did against reid in the prelims. even bisping, who for going AWOL on his fighter, needs his head kicked in, told dean that the triangle was an issue, and Dean goes and ignores the advse and got beat with the one move he was warned against.

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 10:31 PM
me too

the UFC treat the British like second rate citizens :angry:
Actually, this came from the top, starting with the 24 DVD's and toy helicopters Obama gave Gordon Brown & family then from the iPod given to Queen Elizabeth II. The UFC just decided since our great leader is so good at giving gifts to the leaders of your country, he would do the same for its' citizens. :laugh: :tongue0011:

Buc Nasty
05-01-2009, 01:05 AM
Johnson won't make the final.

County Mike
05-01-2009, 03:01 AM
Just watched the episode. Dean's a sucker for the triangle.

It's tough. Even though I KNOW what I'm supposed to do to avoid them, I get caught occasionally as well. A good jitz guy just has a knack for forcing that one arm out.

warriorlion
05-01-2009, 07:33 AM
what I dont understand, is why people dont twist towards the straight knee and stpp over the guy on the bottom's head, into north south position that way using your arm side to force a ap and break the triangle, providing you can posture up when the triangle is applied

logrus
05-01-2009, 11:07 AM
I can't believe you guys watch this garbage still. Its shows like this which kill some of the best t.v series.

County Mike
05-01-2009, 11:36 AM
I can't believe you guys watch this garbage still. Its shows like this which kill some of the best t.v series.

What else should we watch? "Lost"? :)

Jonlion
05-04-2009, 09:54 AM
Just watched the episode this morning.

Poor showing from Bisping that he never turned up. Why i have no doubt that Johnson would have still won, you can see it knocked Dean a little bit and maybe with Bisping there he would have been more prudent in avoiding the Triangle. You just knew it was going to happen.

As for Cameron, i could quite happily see that boy destroyed, i hope that either a UK member takes him savagely or Jason Dent beats his ass in the next round!

Jonlion
05-04-2009, 09:57 AM
Just watched the episode. Dean's a sucker for the triangle.

It's tough. Even though I KNOW what I'm supposed to do to avoid them, I get caught occasionally as well. A good jitz guy just has a knack for forcing that one arm out.


I think the Trianagle is one of my favourite submisisons. Not only is it executed from the back but your forcing someone to choke on their own arm and your calf, something beautiful about that. You can really put someone to sleep with it.

Tyburn
05-04-2009, 10:09 AM
:) I'll copy my Review from myspace here :)

Its no secret that the majority of Patrons, myself included have been supporting Jason Dent from the second he steped into the house. A seemingly self admitted introvert, Dent doesnt seem to want to spend much time with the Americans outside of business, he claims its because he's getting to much social interaction, but I think its got more to do with the other personalities on the team. Cameron Dollar is begining to become a slight dissapointment. I was hoping he would be of better character, but there was an exchange very early on in the episode on how the Americans as a team should react to several defeats in a row. Jason, who hangs with the English because they are more mature, opted for the mature approach, stating that they should act as professionals, Cameron Dollar seemed to want to just act like a child, and as is becoming very usual, Mr Johnson simply doesnt know how to emphasize anything without going over the top on the sware bleep.

Dent isnt the only person with this attitude, infact Jason Pierce also likes to spend more time with the British Team, in particular Mr Faulkner, who was Dan Hendersons ideal of the perfect matchup for him. Pierce didnt take to well to the option of fighting someone who he considered had already become a friend.

Andre Winner was the first fight of the night against Santino Defranco. You will remember Defranco as the guy who got into the house dispite losing his first fight. Waylon Lowe should have been in the house, but due to the fact the UFC have made such a thing out of Defranco getting into a previous TUF and then being sent home due to a brain haemorage, my guess is they looked softely upon him.

But thats at the expense of Lowe...so...I wont shed a tear that the guy got beaten out by Winner. The Fight began with a thirty second feel out, Defranco attempted two takedown attempts, but missed with Winners Sprawl. On their feet, I thought they were quite even however I felt that Defranco was showing better technique, I felt he might have been equally aggressive and he did tend to take Centre quite alot.

The end came when Defranco got the takedown, but failed with two submission attempts and was then susceptable to strikes. Bisping announced that "its not supposed to be this easy"

Dan Henderson just seems to come across as a little bit weak and limp. His pep talks to try and bond the ailing team are luke warm at best, frustrating issues at worst. Deciding that radical action is called for. He decides to play Demarques (his best) against Dean Amasinger (possibly the worst of the UK)

For Deans credit, the guy tried really hard. But from the get go you could tell that Bisping was only giving him a chance, rather then proudly announcing another premature victory. What prooves him to be a real arse is that he didnt bother to show up for the Fight.

Thats just...outrageous. I'm sorry...but thats sooo wrong its unspeakable. Poor Dean Amasinger is sitting in his dressingroom waiting to fight the top USA fighter, and, even his Coach isnt with him.

As predicted the fight was a disastor. He was taken down, and submitted via triangle (which is a move he always falls to and a move Demarques always makes) and after the event...he was left sobbing in his dressing room, with a towel over his head, and although the rest of the team crowded around him...they couldnt hide the glaring silence of a Coach who didnt bother to show up.

Yeah...it might have been more or less a dead cert that Amasinger would lose...but to string him up for the wolves and walk away...thats just fukin nasty.

Demarques might be a GOD fearing individual who is seen praying before the match (thankfully not for victory) but...Mg GOD, the guy cant seem to speak without a bleep...that winds me up, because I dont sware often, I find it distasteful...and annoying. He won...but someone still needs to wash his mouth out with soap LOL

Max
05-05-2009, 04:46 AM
what I dont understand, is why people dont twist towards the straight knee and stpp over the guy on the bottom's head, into north south position that way using your arm side to force a ap and break the triangle, providing you can posture up when the triangle is applied
Im glad Im not the only one who does this / thinks it is a good idea.