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Chris F
01-28-2009, 02:38 AM
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=398956

How sick can you be. Lets have less babies and give more money to the poor so they can abort their kids and that will make the economy better. Outrage!

NateR
01-28-2009, 03:01 AM
Yeah, this kind of thing is sickening. So, now I guess Nancy Pulosi has decided that children are an unnecessary economic burden that must be eliminated. :angry: What a sick, morally-reprehensible human being she is.

Josh
01-28-2009, 03:03 AM
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=398956

How sick can you be. Lets have less babies and give more money to the poor so they can abort their kids and that will make the economy better. Outrage!
I think we would have a lot more money if we had less Nancy Pelosis around. If only there was an abortion for that. We're getting closer and closer to the government controlled family that China enjoys so much.

Chris F
01-28-2009, 05:30 AM
I think we would have a lot more money if we had less Nancy Pelosis around. If only there was an abortion for that. We're getting closer and closer to the government controlled family that China enjoys so much.
Sad but true. Socialism will destroy us even more. Obama wants to bail everyone out so they gov can own it all. Go check out all his plans on the white house page. His plans look more Marxist then anyhting i have seen in years.

County Mike
01-28-2009, 11:48 AM
I didn't read the article but I'm all for the poor having fewer babies.

If you can't afford to take care of them without government assistance, then don't have babies. Use birth control. I'm tired of paying for other people's babies.

Primadawn
01-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Yeah well, your tax dollars are also paying for abortions. Medicaid covers it. I was FURIOUS when I discovered that.

billwilliams70
01-28-2009, 02:17 PM
I didn't read the article but I'm all for the poor having fewer babies.

If you can't afford to take care of them without government assistance, then don't have babies. Use birth control. I'm tired of paying for other people's babies.
Yeah well, your tax dollars are also paying for abortions. Medicaid covers it. I was FURIOUS when I discovered that.
I don't think what Mike was getting at is that abortions are birth control, unfortunately some people do think that way....but I'm willing to bet that's not Mike's stance....that might not have ben your take on it, but the 'Yeah well' that you started your comments with lead me to believe that you were debating his comments.

I agree with Mike though. There are very few things that bother me more than seeing a family that can't afford the children that they have. It's a touchy subject, obviously, because one can always argue the fact that these children are conceived out of love.....and that may be the case, but there's got to be common sense involved as well. It's a simple math problem, if you're having problems raising the five children that you have, don't have a sixth......it's that simple.

I didn't read the article, because I really don't care what Nancy Pelosi has to say on the issue, but I think that people with limited incomes should really consider the consequences of bringing another child into the world.

Later.

County Mike
01-28-2009, 02:36 PM
Well said Bill.

I saw a bumper sticker that said:
"Pro Choice BEFORE Conception,
Pro Life AFTER."

For most situations, I agree with that. If you don't want a baby, use a condom, BC pill, etc. Don't think of abortion as a way to undo your bad decision.

Primadawn
01-28-2009, 05:59 PM
No, I wasn't debating Mike. Disregard my "yeah well"...

Or not--maybe I'll start all my posts with "Yeah well". YES! It will be my "thing"!:laugh:

County Mike
01-28-2009, 06:17 PM
No, I wasn't debating Mike. Disregard my "yeah well"...

Or not--maybe I'll start all my posts with "Yeah well". YES! It will be my "thing"!:laugh:

Good. Maybe if you have your own thing you'll stop asking to see my thing. :Whistle:

Chris F
01-28-2009, 07:03 PM
Today the house started debates for the freedom of choice act which would make abortion on demand normal. SO if a 12 year old wanted one they could do it without the parent knowing. Also all doctor and pharmacists will have to inspite of their objection disperse abortion pills. If this passes there will be a lot less babies. So yes most liberal view abortion as BC, Planned Parenthood was founded on that principal. They wanted all blacks to get abortion so they could end their race in America. Truth is most abortions are done by the middle class as BC. When I worked for a senator a few years back they had all sort of evidence and studies as well as many of the girls testified. It is sad.

Primadawn
01-28-2009, 08:54 PM
Good. Maybe if you have your own thing you'll stop asking to see my thing. :Whistle:

Puhleeeeze...we've all seen your thing..it was in your Halloween pics...:rolleyes:

Tyburn
01-28-2009, 09:15 PM
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=398956

How sick can you be. Lets have less babies and give more money to the poor so they can abort their kids and that will make the economy better. Outrage!
:blink: If she is Roman Catholic, she should not be advocating abortion OR contraception...she should not be advocating sex unless FOR babies IN marriage

BTW...dont mean to point out an obvious here...but less babies = Less workers for your economy...how does that help? shouldnt she be encouraging the other way round??? She can say it has a duel role

In the future it provides an economy, and in the meantime...well have your babies, and you'll get benefits no doubt...lots of tax payers money to help your little ones...every....single........last.....one........ ..of ....them :laugh:


btw, China has birth control due to lack of space...dont think America is in quite that position :unsure:

Chris F
01-28-2009, 10:28 PM
:blink: If she is Roman Catholic, she should not be advocating abortion OR contraception...she should not be advocating sex unless FOR babies IN marriage

BTW...dont mean to point out an obvious here...but less babies = Less workers for your economy...how does that help? shouldnt she be encouraging the other way round??? She can say it has a duel role

In the future it provides an economy, and in the meantime...well have your babies, and you'll get benefits no doubt...lots of tax payers money to help your little ones...every....single........last.....one........ ..of ....them :laugh:


btw, China has birth control due to lack of space...dont think America is in quite that position :unsure:

Not sure about her religion. But you made a great point about the lack of workers. But the democrats do not care about that because they want socialism and the government to take care of us.

TexasRN
01-28-2009, 11:01 PM
We have enough people to work. We just have to force them to work for their money instead of handing it out in the form of welfare and food stamps for free. Everyone should have to *earn* their money. I don't mind a supplement program to keep the kids from starving or to give assistance while mom or dad gets a college degree or learns a trade but to sit and do nothing and still get paid??? We should never reward that by throwing money at them.


~Amy

Chris F
01-29-2009, 12:35 AM
We have enough people to work. We just have to force them to work for their money instead of handing it out in the form of welfare and food stamps for free. Everyone should have to *earn* their money. I don't mind a supplement program to keep the kids from starving or to give assistance while mom or dad gets a college degree or learns a trade but to sit and do nothing and still get paid??? We should never reward that by throwing money at them.


~Amy
I think Dave was speaking in future terms. Killing babies now would make less workers for the future. I agree with you 100%, no more free rides.

TexasRN
01-29-2009, 12:50 AM
I think Dave was speaking in future terms. Killing babies now would make less workers for the future. I agree with you 100%, no more free rides.

Ah. Glad we agree. I have big issues with our welfare system and our medicaid system. I could get all riled up and fightin' mad about it. :laugh:


~Amy

billwilliams70
01-29-2009, 03:54 AM
Good. Maybe if you have your own thing you'll stop asking to see my thing. :Whistle:

:jaw-dropping:

Later.

adamt
01-29-2009, 01:11 PM
while we are talking about it, can someone please explain people's rage against welfare and medicare, but not the school system?

I'm tired of paying for a school system for other people's kids. I don't have kids in school, why should my taxes be paying for it. In fact the schools are so bad, i won't be sending my kids to them anyways.

So as far as i am concerned the school system is one giant welfare system too. People should pay for their kids educations. Actually I understand helping with food and health, but education is not a right, in anyone's interpretation.

County Mike
01-29-2009, 01:38 PM
Puhleeeeze...we've all seen your thing..it was in your Halloween pics...:rolleyes:

Oh yeah. Forgot about that. :laugh:

Tyburn
01-29-2009, 05:01 PM
I think Dave was speaking in future terms. Killing babies now would make less workers for the future. I agree with you 100%, no more free rides.
:) I was...but I see her point aswell...which is why I made reference to parents on benefits with trillions of kids....why work :laugh:

Tyburn
01-29-2009, 05:09 PM
while we are talking about it, can someone please explain people's rage against welfare and medicare, but not the school system?

I'm tired of paying for a school system for other people's kids. I don't have kids in school, why should my taxes be paying for it. In fact the schools are so bad, i won't be sending my kids to them anyways.

So as far as i am concerned the school system is one giant welfare system too. People should pay for their kids educations. Actually I understand helping with food and health, but education is not a right, in anyone's interpretation.
Thats interesting.

Its in the interests of National Security and the Economy to educate people. See in England its illegal not to send your children to school...heck, the parents can end up in court if their children skip class to often! Better education opens more possiblities (hence Economy) and makes people more aware....I know its a stereotype but the figures are that crime rates and stuff soar in areas of low education...partly because they have nothing better to do, know no differently, and are unable to live without illegally gaining food. If you are uneducated, you cant get a job, if you have no job, you have no money, if you have no money...how do you eat without involving yourself in theaft of some kind??

So perhaps you should think of it as paying for a certain level of low crime, I'm sure crimes are bad...but with no education they would be far worse

Chris F
01-30-2009, 09:59 PM
while we are talking about it, can someone please explain people's rage against welfare and medicare, but not the school system?

I'm tired of paying for a school system for other people's kids. I don't have kids in school, why should my taxes be paying for it. In fact the schools are so bad, i won't be sending my kids to them anyways.

So as far as i am concerned the school system is one giant welfare system too. People should pay for their kids educations. Actually I understand helping with food and health, but education is not a right, in anyone's interpretation.

I agree. I am against Public schools as well and I think parents should be charged tuition for the use of them. That way only the people using them pay for it. Truth is most taxes paid for schools do not come from the majority using the service. And you are right on a federal level education is not a right, however state levels almost ever state has it as a constitutional right that is why there a schools at the jails.

Preach
01-30-2009, 10:15 PM
Boy I am so happy with this new administration

Tyburn
01-30-2009, 10:35 PM
Boy I am so happy with this new administration
:huh:

hizo64
01-30-2009, 11:11 PM
Boy I am so happy with this new administration

Please tell me that was sarcasm....:blink:

Chris F
01-30-2009, 11:16 PM
you think that is bad here is the result of their economic stimulus.

H.R. 1 is the largest pork barrel spending bill in the history of our country. President Obama has said this bill will create four million new jobs. President Obama is under the impression that we can spend our way out of debt! That's like thinking an alcoholic can drink his way to sobriety!

Examples:

$20 million "for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers." (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: "20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers)

$400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: "CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States ...The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.")

$25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: "$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration")

$34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: $34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization")

$70 million to "Support Supercomputing Activities" for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report: $70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research)

$150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: "The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary")

Preach
01-31-2009, 12:09 AM
Please tell me that was sarcasm....:blink:

Yes you dont know how good you had it till you get what we have now

adamt
01-31-2009, 02:20 AM
Thats interesting.

Its in the interests of National Security and the Economy to educate people. See in England its illegal not to send your children to school...heck, the parents can end up in court if their children skip class to often! Better education opens more possiblities (hence Economy) and makes people more aware....I know its a stereotype but the figures are that crime rates and stuff soar in areas of low education...partly because they have nothing better to do, know no differently, and are unable to live without illegally gaining food. If you are uneducated, you cant get a job, if you have no job, you have no money, if you have no money...how do you eat without involving yourself in theaft of some kind??

So perhaps you should think of it as paying for a certain level of low crime, I'm sure crimes are bad...but with no education they would be far worse


It was a bit tongue in cheek when i said it. I see it a different way, i don't think low education causes criminals. I think people who are criminals are going to be one way or the other, and they refuse to get an education. Low education does not cause criminalaity, criminals refuse to be educated. And congregate in areas of like minded, low motivated people.


Now back to what I think. I think if parents had to pay tuition or at least an equal share of school taxes, they would make their kids take advantage of what they paid for. It's like if I make a fruit cake I'll eat on it til it's gone, even if it takes a month, but if my in-laws send me one, I might eat some on it til it gets old, but I won't feel too bad about throwing it out, when i get tired of it.

Also, why should farmers and business owners pay for all the education? Especially on property that i still owe on? My land and buildings aren't nearly paid for, but I still have to pay as much as some guy who got the land give to him by a rich uncle.

But my original thought was---- Education is as much welfare as medicaid and food stamps is. The only thing is, is that more people take advantage of education instead of food stamps, so they don't want to admit they're on welfare.

Criminals are not because of lack of education, its because of lack of morals. We get in more trouble by making the criminals smarter.

huan
01-31-2009, 03:29 AM
Doesn't anyone remember when this slime opened her mouth during election season when she decided to speak on behalf the entire Catholic Church?

"Catholic" Speaker Pelosi Denies that Catholicism Condemns Abortion:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082502.html

The backlash from a few Catholic leaders was brilliant, but of course the mainstream media ignored this and went right on praising Obama day in and day out...

On inauguration day Rick Warren said "Dr. King and a great cloud of witnesses are shouting in heaven." during his widely televised prayer.

Personally I am asking myself what Dr. King and any other witnesses in heaven might actually be shouting now that we have elected the most anti-life administration in the history of our country. Just this past week Obama signed an executive order which inevitably sentences a countless number of babies to their death before they are even given a chance at the basic freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution.

These are sad times...

CAVEMAN
02-03-2009, 04:41 PM
This should not surprise anyone! Funding abortions with tax payers money is just the beginning! Read below:

Obama demands 10% defense cuts

by Jerome R. Corsi
WorldNetDaily.com

The Obama administration asked the militaryís Joint Chiefs of Staff to cut the Pentagon budget for fiscal year 2010 by $55 billion, more than 10 percent of last yearís $512 billion defense budget.

The announcement came late Friday, following a meeting at the White House between President Obama and Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Gen. Jim Jones, chairman of the National Security Council, according to a Fox News report.

The White House website appears to have no published notice of the Obama directive, nor was there any explanation from the White House how the proposed cuts might affect our military in the field in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The proposed cuts in the military budget come as the Obama administrationís $825 billion economic stimulus plan goes to the Senate after passing the House last week without a single Republican vote.

In contrast, Obamaís economic stimulus plan has $314 billion allocated to favorite Democratic Party social welfare program and political causes, according to a list prepared by the Director Blue blog:

$83 billion in welfare payments (the earned income credit for people who donít pay income tax)

$81 billion for Medicaid(which will fund abortions)

$86 billion on education, more than the entire Department of Education required just ten years ago

$36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits

$20 billion for food stamps

$8 billion on renewable energy projects

$7 billion for modernizing federal buildings and facilities

$6 billion on urban transit systems

$2 billion for child-care subsidies

$1 billion for Amtrak

$650 million for digital TV conversion coupons

$600 million on new cars for government

$400 million for global-warming research

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts In a campaign video viewed over half a million times on YouTube.com, Democratic presidential candidate Obama vowed to cut military spending if he were elected president.

"I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending," Obama says on the video. "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending."

Tyburn
02-03-2009, 04:45 PM
"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending."
:unsure-1: thats a dissapointment :sad:

CAVEMAN
02-03-2009, 06:23 PM
:unsure-1: thats a dissapointment :sad:

Yes it is! And unfortunately, this is probably the 1st of many cuts in military defense. I would not be surprised if there is another attack here on American soil within the year!

Tyburn
02-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Yes it is! And unfortunately, this is probably the 1st of many cuts in military defense. I would not be surprised if there is another attack here on American soil within the year!
Thats not my worry...I dont think direct spending on the MILITARY stops Terrorist attacks...thats more to do with intelligence spending.

no...my worry is that he's gonna stall Starwars...I'd hate to think that he's put an idea into other peoples heads, other who may want to generate weaponary in space...and not for protection...I mean...Russia for example. :unsure-1:

Moose
02-03-2009, 07:57 PM
Thats not my worry...I dont think direct spending on the MILITARY stops Terrorist attacks...thats more to do with intelligence spending.

no...my worry is that he's gonna stall Starwars...I'd hate to think that he's put an idea into other peoples heads, other who may want to generate weaponary in space...and not for protection...I mean...Russia for example. :unsure-1:
Starwars is a really, really bad idea.

Tyburn
02-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Starwars is a really, really bad idea.
Lets put it this way Moose

if the Starwars Shield was to be a forgone conclusion...which country would you rather own it first?

Would you rather be able to have complete coverage of Europe and at least a view on the Middle East, China and Russia. It could...could...possibly be used for an attack...but probably only used for defence.

OR

Would you rather Russia, China or...some middle eastern Country have that kinda power?

Starwars is already Huge...I live in Harrogate...Menwith Hill Airforce Base is one of the props for your Coverage of Europe. In order to extend your coverage you need to be able to plant props in a country closer to the landmass you want to have coverage of...at least the U.S ASKS...I could see Russia invaiding in order to plant props.

Forgive me for saying...I'd rather live under the threat of an American war, then that or a Russian war...do you follow? if someone has to have Weaponary in space, GOD grant it be our allies BEFORE our enemies :ninja:

Chris F
02-03-2009, 11:48 PM
This should not surprise anyone! Funding abortions with tax payers money is just the beginning! Read below:

Obama demands 10% defense cuts

by Jerome R. Corsi
WorldNetDaily.com

The Obama administration asked the militaryís Joint Chiefs of Staff to cut the Pentagon budget for fiscal year 2010 by $55 billion, more than 10 percent of last yearís $512 billion defense budget.

The announcement came late Friday, following a meeting at the White House between President Obama and Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Gen. Jim Jones, chairman of the National Security Council, according to a Fox News report.

The White House website appears to have no published notice of the Obama directive, nor was there any explanation from the White House how the proposed cuts might affect our military in the field in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The proposed cuts in the military budget come as the Obama administrationís $825 billion economic stimulus plan goes to the Senate after passing the House last week without a single Republican vote.

In contrast, Obamaís economic stimulus plan has $314 billion allocated to favorite Democratic Party social welfare program and political causes, according to a list prepared by the Director Blue blog:

$83 billion in welfare payments (the earned income credit for people who donít pay income tax)

$81 billion for Medicaid(which will fund abortions)

$86 billion on education, more than the entire Department of Education required just ten years ago

$36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits

$20 billion for food stamps

$8 billion on renewable energy projects

$7 billion for modernizing federal buildings and facilities

$6 billion on urban transit systems

$2 billion for child-care subsidies

$1 billion for Amtrak

$650 million for digital TV conversion coupons

$600 million on new cars for government

$400 million for global-warming research

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts In a campaign video viewed over half a million times on YouTube.com, Democratic presidential candidate Obama vowed to cut military spending if he were elected president.

"I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending," Obama says on the video. "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending."

So very sad isn't!!!!

atomdanger
02-04-2009, 12:06 AM
In reality a LOT of people do need to have less children.
There are wayy too many people having children they can't, or won't care for.

That is just a fact, I do not know how you could think that is sick.
When people have kids they don't care for, it costs US a lot of money, US,
not the dead beat parents, but US.

atomdanger
02-04-2009, 12:07 AM
I didn't read the article but I'm all for the poor having fewer babies.

If you can't afford to take care of them without government assistance, then don't have babies. Use birth control. I'm tired of paying for other people's babies.

EXACTLY

KENTUCKYREDBONE
02-04-2009, 12:52 AM
If a Woman don't want kids in most cases She can keep her Skirt down! Buying contraceptives and abortions with Tax money is not likely to stimulate the Economy.

Hughes_GOAT
02-04-2009, 02:25 AM
stopping illegal immigration would be a better stimulus package.

atomdanger
02-07-2009, 04:31 AM
If a Woman don't want kids in most cases She can keep her Skirt down! Buying contraceptives and abortions with Tax money is not likely to stimulate the Economy.


Contraceptives = CHEAPER THAN WELFARE AND HOUSING for 18 years.

Ok, so I don't think you can get cash for that long,
but medical, foot stamps, etc...