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rockdawg21
04-23-2009, 06:00 PM
So, who wins and how?

PacMan via KO in round 7. Hatton can't handle the speed (as demonstrated by Mayweather), and he goes in head first - he's going to eat a huge flurry of punches from Pacquiao.

J.B.
04-23-2009, 06:05 PM
PacMan has this locked down. I am gonna say KO in the 9th round, but I would not be surprised if Hatton looks better than he did against Floyd.

Heck he's got Floyd's dad training him now. :laugh:

rearnakedchoke
04-23-2009, 06:13 PM
pacqui takes this and easy ... hatton doesn't win a round and it is stopped somewhere around the 4th ...

Miss Foxy
04-23-2009, 07:04 PM
Go Hatton!!:punch: I know everyone is on the Pacman deal, but I am never wrong on boxing baby!! Well almost never I have a 90% average!!

J.B.
04-23-2009, 07:11 PM
Go Hatton!!:punch: I know everyone is on the Pacman deal, but I am never wrong on boxing baby!! Well almost never I have a 90% average!!

Here comes the other 10% :laugh:

It would be a major upset, but I just don't see it happening.

Miss Foxy
04-23-2009, 07:15 PM
Here comes the other 10% :laugh:

It would be a major upset, but I just don't see it happening.
Thats fine.. I am a very oh shall I say very confident person so its all good.. Just like Nicks fight everyone talked so much crap about him and well yeah he looked good. However boxing is my sport. I watched a little of the training footage on Hatton vs his old fights and he's definitely changing up his style for the better. Senior Mayweather is a good coach. Personally speaking Freddie Roach reminds me of a serial killer or pedophile he creeps me out :scared0015:

Hughes_GOAT
04-23-2009, 07:32 PM
Go Hatton!!:punch: I know everyone is on the Pacman deal, but I am never wrong on boxing baby!! Well almost never I have a 90% average!!

not me. my great uncle boxed for the US team and fought pro as well. Hatton physically reminds me of him. WAR Hatton!!!

Miss Foxy
04-23-2009, 08:26 PM
not me. my great uncle boxed for the US team and fought pro as well. Hatton physically reminds me of him. WAR Hatton!!!
This is why you get nice PM photos!! lol..:)

Crisco
04-23-2009, 08:40 PM
This is why you get nice PM photos!! lol..:)

I'm rooting for Hatton but Pac is good man..


Real tough fight for Hatton.

rockdawg21
04-23-2009, 09:00 PM
Go Hatton!!:punch: I know everyone is on the Pacman deal, but I am never wrong on boxing baby!! Well almost never I have a 90% average!!
Let me guess, part of that 10% was when you picked Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Soliz, Valezquez, and De La Hoya? :laugh:

j/k

J.B.
04-23-2009, 09:09 PM
Thats fine.. I am a very oh shall I say very confident person so its all good.. Just like Nicks fight everyone talked so much crap about him and well yeah he looked good. However boxing is my sport. I watched a little of the training footage on Hatton vs his old fights and he's definitely changing up his style for the better. Senior Mayweather is a good coach. Personally speaking Freddie Roach reminds me of a serial killer or pedophile he creeps me out :scared0015:

Yeah, Floyd Sr is a great trainer, and I am sure Ricky will put up more of a fight than he did against Floyd Jr, but I do believe it's gonna be the same outcome. Manny just has too much speed for Ricky.

I'm not rooting for either fighter, but my money would definitely be on Manny.

Miss Foxy
04-23-2009, 10:06 PM
Let me guess, part of that 10% was when you picked Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Soliz, Valezquez, and De La Hoya? :laugh:

j/k
You obviously don't know me that well.. Negative to all of em except Marquez....

Buc Nasty
04-23-2009, 10:17 PM
Gotta go with my fellow brit on this one!

Hatton by TKO:punch:

rockdawg21
04-23-2009, 11:07 PM
You obviously don't know me that well.. Negative to all of em except Marquez....
Marquez is the man.

Miss Foxy
04-23-2009, 11:22 PM
Marquez is the man.
Heck yeah he is!! Now we're talking!! :tongue0011:

Hughes_GOAT
04-24-2009, 01:16 AM
This is why you get nice PM photos!! lol..:)
haha

rockdawg21
04-24-2009, 01:18 AM
haha
You need to change that sig. It's "Miss Foxy" now!

Preach
04-24-2009, 02:10 PM
WWAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR Hatton

Jonlion
04-24-2009, 04:36 PM
I'm backing Hatton as well!

MattHughesRocks
04-24-2009, 04:59 PM
You can't "WAR" someone because they look like somebody you know:blink:

You vote by "hotness" :w00t:


not me. my great uncle boxed for the US team and fought pro as well. Hatton physically reminds me of him. WAR Hatton!!!

MattHughesRocks
04-24-2009, 05:00 PM
Pacman by KO by the way! My son loves him! :w00t:
:laugh:

Miss Foxy
04-24-2009, 06:02 PM
LOL.. This thread is so funny.. If Pacman were to win (which he's not) it would definitely not be by KO. He's fast, but he does not possess enough power IMO to knock off my boy Hatton...:Whistle:

J.B.
04-24-2009, 06:11 PM
LOL.. This thread is so funny.. If Pacman were to win (which he's not) it would definitely not be by KO. He's fast, but he does not possess enough power IMO to knock off my boy Hatton...:Whistle:

:laugh:

Manny has plenty of power. People said the same thing about Mayweather not having enough power to stop Hatton, and we all know how that turned out.

Hughes_GOAT
04-25-2009, 02:25 AM
Pac is ducking Joan Guzman and Floyd

rockdawg21
04-25-2009, 04:28 AM
Pac is ducking Joan Guzman and Floyd
LOL @ your statement. Do some research the come back and say this.

rockdawg21
04-25-2009, 04:28 AM
LOL.. This thread is so funny.. If Pacman were to win (which he's not) it would definitely not be by KO. He's fast, but he does not possess enough power IMO to knock off my boy Hatton...:Whistle:
Sig bet? Let's just see how confident you really are! :punch:
3/4 wins by PacMan are KO/TKO. Hatton is way too aggressive to not get KOed by Pac. Hatton looked like a bum against Lazcano and Malignaggi and those guys are nothing special.

Hughes_GOAT
04-25-2009, 05:02 AM
LOL @ your statement. Do some research the come back and say this.
i knew that would get someone

rockdawg21
04-26-2009, 02:36 PM
i knew that would get someone
Of course, it had to be me :laugh:

rockdawg21
04-29-2009, 10:26 PM
BUMP!

Fight is on Saturday!

WAR PACMAN!!!!!!!!!!

rockdawg21
04-29-2009, 10:28 PM
LOL.. This thread is so funny.. If Pacman were to win (which he's not) it would definitely not be by KO. He's fast, but he does not possess enough power IMO to knock off my boy Hatton...
Sig bet? Let's just see how confident you really are! :punch:
3/4 wins by PacMan are KO/TKO. Hatton is way too aggressive to not get KOed by Pac. Hatton looked like a bum against Lazcano and Malignaggi and those guys are nothing special.
BTW, Melissa, you didn't respond to my challenge. Sig bet on this fight?

Miss Foxy
04-29-2009, 11:55 PM
BTW, Melissa, you didn't respond to my challenge. Sig bet on this fight?
Bring it on!!

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 12:56 AM
Bring it on!!
Alright! So what's the stakes? Sig for how many weeks?

Miss Foxy
04-30-2009, 03:56 AM
Alright! So what's the stakes? Sig for how many weeks? U make all the arrangements!! I am in since my confidence is that high!!!!!!!:laugh:

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 02:02 PM
U make all the arrangements!! I am in since my confidence is that high!!!!!!!:laugh:
Until Pacquaio's next fight? LOL

For the month of May :)

Miss Foxy
04-30-2009, 02:33 PM
Until Pacquaio's next fight? LOL

For the month of May :)
Im game with the month of May!!

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 06:10 PM
Im game with the month of May!!
Bring it!

Ang panalo siya Pacquaio!

Miss Foxy
04-30-2009, 06:12 PM
Bring it!

Ang panalo siya Pacquaio!
Barf!! I don't and will never even want to speak Tagalog..Ewwww.. :laugh:

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 06:17 PM
Barf!! I don't and will never even want to speak Tagalog..Ewwww.. :laugh:
íRacista! :tongue0011:

MattHughesRocks
04-30-2009, 06:26 PM
So when is said fight?

J.B.
04-30-2009, 06:33 PM
Saturday night

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 06:33 PM
This Saturday! :punch:

Miss Foxy
04-30-2009, 07:42 PM
íRacista! :tongue0011:
LOL!! Its going down Saturday!! We all are racist im just the first to admit it!! (im trying to act like Kanye).....:laugh:

rockdawg21
04-30-2009, 08:21 PM
LOL!! Its going down Saturday!! We all are racist im just the first to admit it!! (im trying to act like Kanye).....:laugh:
LOL, I hate that prick! No doubt he's a racist!

Anyways, time to see that Asian dude whoop that Caucasian dude :laugh:

MattHughesRocks
04-30-2009, 09:41 PM
Saturday! Awesome! WAR PACMAN!:w00t:

rockdawg21
05-01-2009, 09:41 PM
LIVE WEIGHINS NOW!!! 4:30PM to 5:30PM CST

If you have DirecTV, it's channel 239.

WAR PACMAN!!!!!!!!

J.B.
05-01-2009, 09:44 PM
LIVE WEIGHINS NOW!!! 4:30PM to 5:30PM CST

If you have DirecTV, it's channel 239.

WAR PACMAN!!!!!!!!

I'm watching too.

This is gonna be a great fight, too bad I gotta work.

J.B.
05-01-2009, 09:47 PM
:laugh:

They totally booed Bernard Hopkins, not a surprise

rockdawg21
05-01-2009, 09:54 PM
:laugh:

They totally booed Bernard Hopkins, not a surprise
I thought it was kinda funny when Mosley laughed when they booed Hopkins.

J.B.
05-01-2009, 10:07 PM
Oscar is glad he is retired so he can get drunk, :laugh:

I am not a Hopkins fan, but the dude is tough as nails.

J.B.
05-01-2009, 10:10 PM
The hooligans are chanting winter wonderland so they don't have to hear Buffer announce the legacy of Pac-Man.

He is gonna crush Hatton. :laugh:

rockdawg21
05-01-2009, 10:16 PM
The hooligans are chanting winter wonderland so they don't have to hear Buffer announce the legacy of Pac-Man.

He is gonna crush Hatton. :laugh:
Yeah, talk about a waste of 25,000 plane tickets, plus, the money they're going to lose in the casinos. :laugh:

J.B.
05-01-2009, 10:39 PM
Yeah, talk about a waste of 25,000 plane tickets, plus, the money they're going to lose in the casinos. :laugh:

It should be a good fight, but I just don't see it going later than 9 or 10 rounds.

rockdawg21
05-01-2009, 11:13 PM
It should be a good fight, but I just don't see it going later than 9 or 10 rounds.
I won't doubt the excitement. It just won't be exciting for the Brits or Melissa. :laugh:

atomdanger
05-02-2009, 04:01 AM
You guys actually like... enjoy boxing? O_o

Miss Foxy
05-02-2009, 04:14 AM
You guys actually like... enjoy boxing? O_o
Heck yeah! Boxing is my first love actually....A person can like both sports.

Hughes_GOAT
05-02-2009, 04:20 AM
A person can like both sports.
but can only love one!

Miss Foxy
05-02-2009, 04:22 AM
but can only love one!
True that! However I will keep it real. I love boxing. I am lusting over mma. :tongue0011:

VCURamFan
05-02-2009, 04:44 AM
Hey, FYI: Hatton's gonna be on Craig Ferguson tonight. It's just started here on the East Coast.

Also, Ryan Reynolds.

J.B.
05-02-2009, 10:27 AM
You guys actually like... enjoy boxing? O_o

Boxing has given more enjoyable fights in 2009 than MMA has.

Stop it, you sound like a tuf noob :tongue0011:

rearnakedchoke
05-02-2009, 01:00 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/boxing/05/02/mayweather.returns.ap/index.html

Looks like Mayweather wants the winner .... that was a brief retirement ... like we didn't know this would happen .... i say he fights pac man .. that would be huge ....

rockdawg21
05-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Boxing has its' ups and downs, but there's tons of "Megafights" in store for the rest of this year and 2010. After this fight, you'll most likely see Mayweather/Pacquaio in December. That would probably be the biggest PPV event of all-time, even surpassing Mayweather/De La Hoya.

One big thing about it is that Pac finished DLH, while Mayweather didn't. I'm also predicting that Pac will finish Hatton faster than Mayweather did. It would still make sense that Pac would go into the fight as an underdog, but Pac hasn't lost a fight in about 5 years when he's the underdog. It'd be amazing to see this one go down!

J.B.
05-03-2009, 08:16 AM
LOL.. This thread is so funny.. If Pacman were to win (which he's not) it would definitely not be by KO. He's fast, but he does not possess enough power IMO to knock off my boy Hatton...:Whistle:

PWNED!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b285/RedDonkeyPoo/yay2.gif

Wanna take another guess? :laugh:

Miss Foxy
05-04-2009, 02:23 AM
PWNED!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b285/RedDonkeyPoo/yay2.gif

Wanna take another guess? :laugh:
Im so in for it!! :sad:

J.B.
05-04-2009, 02:33 AM
Im so in for it!! :sad:

Ahhh, it happens, we all get em wrong from time to time.

Nobody expected it to be like that, except Freddie Roach. :laugh:

VCURamFan
05-04-2009, 03:18 AM
Im so in for it!! :sad:Enjoy controlling your own sig while you still can...

logrus
05-04-2009, 03:35 AM
PWNED!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b285/RedDonkeyPoo/yay2.gif

Wanna take another guess? :laugh:

LMAO, poor girl you will learn to never go against the Pacman...

Miss Foxy
05-04-2009, 02:07 PM
LMAO, poor girl you will learn to never go against the Pacman...
I would still do it all over again. Lose or win I stand by or against certain boxers. Pacman is just one I would NEVER root for.

rockdawg21
05-04-2009, 02:29 PM
Ahhh, it happens, we all get em wrong from time to time.

Nobody expected it to be like that, except Freddie Roach. :laugh:
I expected a domination by Pac throughout the entire fight, but not by round 2, that's nuts! Mosley next, after that, Mayweather, if he has the guts. I agree with Roach when he said, "I think he's [Mayweather] scared of Manny." Makes sense, Mayweather's ducked Mosley his whole career because he knows Mosley would knock him out.

Anyways, Melissa, I'm busy for the first few days this week, but I'll get something prepared for you :laugh:

rockdawg21
05-04-2009, 02:34 PM
I would still do it all over again. Lose or win I stand by or against certain boxers. Pacman is just one I would NEVER root for.
At least we did a sig bet. Next time, I'll just bet you straight cash since you don't want to stand by Manny. Easy money! :laugh:

Miss Foxy
05-04-2009, 03:08 PM
At least we did a sig bet. Next time, I'll just bet you straight cash since you don't want to stand by Manny. Easy money! :laugh:
LOL!! Ok im a good loser when need be! hehe!! Sounds good just hit me up and go a lil easy on me with the sig por favor! Im begging :cry: I had to go against Manny its a Mexican thing sorry just like Dave with the French!

rockdawg21
05-04-2009, 03:18 PM
LOL!! Ok im a good loser when need be! hehe!! Sounds good just hit me up and go a lil easy on me with the sig por favor! Im begging :cry: I had to go against Manny its a Mexican thing sorry just like Dave with the French!
I figured it had to be that. Manny's the Mexicutioner of this era of boxing, that's for sure. The guy's incredible. I definitely share Dave's opinion on the French :laugh:

Miss Foxy
05-04-2009, 03:21 PM
I figured it had to be that. Manny's the Mexicutioner of this era of boxing, that's for sure. The guy's incredible. I definitely share Dave's opinion on the French :laugh:
LOl thats a good one Mexicutioner! Chavez's sons Omar & Julio Jr are doing good so hopefully in the next few years we will see some good boxing from one of em! I can't go for a Pi˝oy or Puerto Rican. I would be a traitor! However Camacho is one of my all-time favorite fighters.. Shhh our secret!

J.B.
05-04-2009, 04:08 PM
I expected a domination by Pac throughout the entire fight, but not by round 2, that's nuts! Mosley next, after that, Mayweather, if he has the guts. I agree with Roach when he said, "I think he's [Mayweather] scared of Manny." Makes sense, Mayweather's ducked Mosley his whole career because he knows Mosley would knock him out.

Anyways, Melissa, I'm busy for the first few days this week, but I'll get something prepared for you :laugh:

If he has the guts? Why do you think he came back to boxing? Really, I know Manny looks good right now, but if people think Floyd is going to be a push-over then they are sadly mistaken or they just started watching the sport. Also, don't start that crap about ducking Mosley or Cotto. Mosley is an admitted steroid user and he is ducking Paul Williams himself, so I got no love for him anyway.

Floyd is not stupid, Cotto and Mosley are naturally bigger fighters who could give him problems, so he is only going to take the fight if it is worth it to him. Mosley and Cotto do not have the star power to guarantee PBF the money he is worth for the fight, so it's not worth it for him to take either of those fights at this time when there are bigger fights on the table. It's not fair to say Floyd is really ducking either of those fighters, because he did give Arum an offer to fight Cotto, but Arum laughed at the number PBF wanted. When one of those fights are the one that makes the most sense, then you will see Floyd fight. He is not a coward, and he had admitted that he's not afraid of the prospect of someone eventually shutting him up. He is just confident that it ain't gonna happen.

Still, Freddie Roach is crazy if he thinks Manny should fight Cotto or Mosley right now, because Manny could lose and then he would lose a lot of power at the bargaining table with Floyd. The truth is, the fight that pays the most is ALWAYS the one that makes the most sense when you are talking about fighting top ranked competition. People get killed in this sport, and that's why it so important to ensure yourself the most money you possibly can, because you could walk into that ring and never leave the same again or even worse, end up dead.

Miss Foxy
05-04-2009, 05:28 PM
If he has the guts? Why do you think he came back to boxing? Really, I know Manny looks good right now, but if people think Floyd is going to be a push-over then they are sadly mistaken or they just started watching the sport. Also, don't start that crap about ducking Mosley or Cotto. Mosley is an admitted steroid user and he is ducking Paul Williams himself, so I got no love for him anyway.

Floyd is not stupid, Cotto and Mosley are naturally bigger fighters who could give him problems, so he is only going to take the fight if it is worth it to him. Mosley and Cotto do not have the star power to guarantee PBF the money he is worth for the fight, so it's not worth it for him to take either of those fights at this time when there are bigger fights on the table. It's not fair to say Floyd is really ducking either of those fighters, because he did give Arum an offer to fight Cotto, but Arum laughed at the number PBF wanted. When one of those fights are the one that makes the most sense, then you will see Floyd fight. He is not a coward, and he had admitted that he's not afraid of the prospect of someone eventually shutting him up. He is just confident that it ain't gonna happen.

Still, Freddie Roach is crazy if he thinks Manny should fight Cotto or Mosley right now, because Manny could lose and then he would lose a lot of power at the bargaining table with Floyd. The truth is, the fight that pays the most is ALWAYS the one that makes the most sense when you are talking about fighting top ranked competition. People get killed in this sport, and that's why it so important to ensure yourself the most money you possibly can, because you could walk into that ring and never leave the same again or even worse, end up dead.
Finally someone who knows whats up boxing wise!! You tell it bro!!:happy0159:

J.B.
05-04-2009, 07:20 PM
Finally someone who knows whats up boxing wise!! You tell it bro!!:happy0159:

Damn right! :laugh:

rockdawg21
05-05-2009, 03:30 AM
If he has the guts? Why do you think he came back to boxing? Really, I know Manny looks good right now, but if people think Floyd is going to be a push-over then they are sadly mistaken or they just started watching the sport. Also, don't start that crap about ducking Mosley or Cotto. Mosley is an admitted steroid user and he is ducking Paul Williams himself, so I got no love for him anyway.

Floyd is not stupid, Cotto and Mosley are naturally bigger fighters who could give him problems, so he is only going to take the fight if it is worth it to him. Mosley and Cotto do not have the star power to guarantee PBF the money he is worth for the fight, so it's not worth it for him to take either of those fights at this time when there are bigger fights on the table. It's not fair to say Floyd is really ducking either of those fighters, because he did give Arum an offer to fight Cotto, but Arum laughed at the number PBF wanted. When one of those fights are the one that makes the most sense, then you will see Floyd fight. He is not a coward, and he had admitted that he's not afraid of the prospect of someone eventually shutting him up. He is just confident that it ain't gonna happen.

Still, Freddie Roach is crazy if he thinks Manny should fight Cotto or Mosley right now, because Manny could lose and then he would lose a lot of power at the bargaining table with Floyd. The truth is, the fight that pays the most is ALWAYS the one that makes the most sense when you are talking about fighting top ranked competition. People get killed in this sport, and that's why it so important to ensure yourself the most money you possibly can, because you could walk into that ring and never leave the same again or even worse, end up dead.
Forget money, throw that stuff right out the window. I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about who's the best and who actually wants to prove their the best, not just talk about it (PBF).

He came back to boxing because he owes the IRS 6.5 million dollars. He says it's to prove he's the best of all-time, but that's BS IMO.

Say whatever you want. PBF is very selective about his fights. For God's sakes, he's coming back to fight Marquez. Now I'm not saying anything about Marquez, he's the man, but PBF is wanting the fight at 147 and is only willing (currently) to give 145 against a guy who fights at 135. PBF picks his fights and ducks guys he feels he can't beat. Now, that's smart in an attempt to protect the record, but he doesn't challenge himself unlike other greats like Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and current-day Pacquaio. PBF protects his record by being selective about his fights. He talks a big game, but he won't step up when certain people issue the challenges to him.

I'm not saying Pac would roll over him like nothing, I'm saying that he has a reason to be afraid of Pac - it took Pac 20% of the time to KO Hatton in comparison to Mayweather. It'd be a great fight, and one I'm hoping would happen, as I think it'd be the biggest PPV buy of all time.

J.B.
05-05-2009, 04:40 AM
Forget money, throw that stuff right out the window. I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about who's the best and who actually wants to prove their the best, not just talk about it (PBF).

I don't know why you would assume that Floyd would NOT want to prove he is the best. That is ridiculous. ANY fighter that fights at this level wants to prove that, but at the same time you need to be smart about who you fight and WHEN you fight them. It is how the sport works in the modern era, deal with it. Fighting a guy like Mosley or Cotto when there is bigger money on the table against somebody else is just not how it works. It's only a superfight when everybody knows both the fighters, and when you are at a level of fighting P4P guys in multiple weight classes, you HAVE to get picky.

I don't like seeing Matt Stafford make more money than anybody in the NFL before he has even thrown a pass, but it's the way of the world.


He came back to boxing because he owes the IRS 6.5 million dollars. He says it's to prove he's the best of all-time, but that's BS IMO.

Why thank you H+R Block, I am glad you are so privy to Floyd's tax situation. Come back when you are Wells Fargo and actually know something about his finances. The man made 8 million dollars last year and he did not fight at all. Everybody knew he would come back, and the time off probably served him some good to heal his hands. Reports I have read say he has not lost a single step in the gym, but we will see what happens July 18.


Say whatever you want. PBF is very selective about his fights. For God's sakes, he's coming back to fight Marquez. Now I'm not saying anything about Marquez, he's the man, but PBF is wanting the fight at 147 and is only willing (currently) to give 145 against a guy who fights at 135. PBF picks his fights and ducks guys he feels he can't beat. Now, that's smart in an attempt to protect the record, but he doesn't challenge himself unlike other greats like Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and current-day Pacquaio. PBF protects his record by being selective about his fights. He talks a big game, but he won't step up when certain people issue the challenges to him.

Say whatever YOU want! :tongue0011:

Seriously, we all know Marquez is just a tune up fight to set-up the Pacquiao fight. He hypes Marquez as the guy who a lot of people think beat Pac-Man, then he beats him. That draws more money to the fight with Pacquiao. How can you say that he has not fought all the best fighters? Because he has yet to fight Mosley or Cotto? That is crap, they are naturally bigger guys than Floyd, and with the scope of the Boxing scene at the time Floyd was coming up, other fights made MORE sense.

Like I already said, he has fought more top competition than anybody in recent history INCLUDING Pacquiao. Don't be so sure that we DON'T end up seeing a Mayweather vs Cotto or Mayweather vs Mosley fight in the future, because it is a REAL possibility right now. Lots of things are up in the air at this point.

Also, don't act like Ali, Sugar Ray, or Pacquiao have never been selective about their fights, because that is BULL. Floyd HAS challenged himself, it's not his fault he is just that much better than the competition and he made it look easy for the most part. He beat Judah, Gatti, Hatton, DLH, Hernandez, Corrales, and Castillo. Now he is fighting Marquez, then probably Pacquiao. That is a pretty damn good list if you ask me, not to mention the other 32 other fighters who got dealt with accordingly as well. So please tell me again how Floyd has NOT challenged himself. :rolleyes:


I'm not saying Pac would roll over him like nothing, I'm saying that he has a reason to be afraid of Pac - it took Pac 20% of the time to KO Hatton in comparison to Mayweather. It'd be a great fight, and one I'm hoping would happen, as I think it'd be the biggest PPV buy of all time.


I do agree that Pac-Man is no joke, and I think it would be a tough fight for ANYBODY right now. However I already shot down the "It took Pac less time" theory. I could counter that argument and say Pac was only fighting guys that Mayweather beat (convincingly) when they were BETTER fighters in Hatton AND DLH. If you really think that the Hatton who fought on Saturday looked anything like the one who fought Floyd, you are crazy.

Manny does not have the technical skills that Floyd does, but he is fast and he is strong. This fight will happen, and it will be HUGE, mark my words.

rockdawg21
05-06-2009, 01:25 AM
This sums it up much better than I possibly can:

http://fighthype.com/pages/content4875.html (Sorry, I know it's really long, but here's my point):

...The point I am trying to make, however, is that if Floyd Jr. truly wants the world to believe that he, not Pacquiao, is the best in his class, then why has he ducked the best fighters in his division? Mayweather Jr. could do his reputation some service by actually emulating what Pacquiao has done throughout his career: face the biggest and best names possible. Pacquiao swept the legends of his former divisions and has continued to move up to find better competition. Floyd, on the other hand, has done more talking about his greatness than actually proving himself inside the ring.

Explain to me why Floyd Jr. has yet to face the likes of Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Paul "The Punisher" Williams or even Antonio Margarito? Who has Floyd Jr. really beaten? And now he expects us all to be wowed by a comeback attempt against a much smaller man in Juan Manuel Marquez? Give me a break! For whatever reason Floyd Jr. is coming back to the ring (and we all know it's about the money), it's definitely not because he's been missed. During the time he's been away from the sport, Manny Pacquiao has given fans three spectacular victories. Not only that, but attention was justly given to other premier boxers in and around Mayweather's division, including Paul Williams and Shane Mosley.

To sum it up, for PBF, it's about money, not legacy.

logrus
05-06-2009, 01:52 AM
This sums it up much better than I possibly can:

http://fighthype.com/pages/content4875.html (Sorry, I know it's really long, but here's my point):



To sum it up, for PBF, it's about money, not legacy.

Pretty much why he came back last time. I have a couple buddies who follow boxing more then I do and they said that PBF will be this eras Tyson.

J.B.
05-06-2009, 02:22 AM
This sums it up much better than I possibly can:

http://fighthype.com/pages/content4875.html (Sorry, I know it's really long, but here's my point):



To sum it up, for PBF, it's about money, not legacy.

I think we are spinning our wheels on this one. You don't like Floyd, and thats fine, I get it, but don't get it twisted Floyd HAS fought the best competition. I already named the list TWICE, and there is no disputing it. Here it is a THIRD time.

Arturo Gatti
Germano Hernandez
Zab Judah
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Diego Corrales

That is ALL TOP QUALITY competition. No if's and's or But's about it, and a lot of the other fighters he faced were highly touted amongst boxing analysts as well. Now he is facing Marquez, another top competitor, and then he WILL fight Manny. So please explain to me how Floyd is "ducking" anybody when he is still fighting top ranked guys? Also, like I said before, he did give Bob Arum an offer to fight Miguel Cotto, and Arum turned it down.

You have no point of reference to make an assumption that the ONLY reason Floyd fights is for money. If you truly believe that, then you know nothing about him, plain and simple. The only reason you can even question his legacy at all is because of a few fighters he has not fought yet. That is ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons fighters are picky with their fights and EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT. PBF may not have declined a fight with Mosley for the same reason he did with somebody else at a certain time. If you are going to call Floyd to task on this, be ready to do it to just about every professional fighter in existence because that's how it goes.

Also Floyd has never said he WON'T fight Mosley or Cotto, or Margarito, or Williams, but those are naturally BIGGER guys. You need to be picky about when you take fights like that. Especially a guy like Williams, why do you think Mosley just said he wont fight him yet and nobody else has not fought him yet? Because the guy is a 6'1 GIANT for a welterweight and NOBODY knows who the hell he is anyway. The PPV numbers would suck, and it's a potentially bad situation for the fighter. You don't get to keep coming back from the grave very many times in Boxing when you lose, like a Rocky movie, or MMA. :ninja:

Money is a catalyst for MOST things in this world and don't think Manny Pacaqiao does not think like that too. We all do. Just because Floyd's nickname IS "Money" don't think it's the MOST important thing to him. Because from all the reading I've done, and interviews I have seen, Floyd seems to care more about his family than anything else, even Boxing, and that is VERY classy in my opinion. :wink:

It's cool though, I am just glad he IS back and and fighting again. We will get a lot of answers on July 18.

rockdawg21
05-06-2009, 02:47 AM
I also agree with this analysis:

http://queensberry-rules.com/2009/05/on-manny-pacquiao-vs-floyd-mayweather-jr-and-the-related-subject-of-the-reportedly-stellar-pacquiao-.html

...So afraid of losing is Mayweather that I wouldn't be surprised if he watched Hatton's eyes rolling around in the back of his head after the Pacquiao knockout and is now sharply reconsidering whether he wants to fight him. Mayweather, contrary to his reputation, hasn't always avoided his stiffest challenges. He used to live for them. When Jose Luis Castillo fought Mayweather tooth and nail in their first fight and some thought Castillo deserved the decision win that Mayweather received, Mayweather was EAGER for a rematch. Alas, it was the last time Mayweather took a fight that he had the remotest chance of losing, and that was six years ago. His competition thereafter has been mostly pitiful. I thought the fights with Hatton and De La Hoya were legitimate, but no one thought they presented the stiffest tests. Mayweather can say all he wants that he turned down a multi-million dollar Antonio Margarito bout because he wanted bigger money fights, but he fought the big-hearted but under-talented Carlos Baldomir next for what, according to some accounts, was significantly less cash. I think Mayweather would have thrashed Margarito much as Shane Mosley did. But my impression remains that Mayweather THOUGHT Margarito might beat him. And that's just one instance.

There are plenty other instances that, collectively, add up to Mayweather being scared of losing his undefeated mark. One of them is his choice of Marquez, who has never fought above 135 lbs, and his apparent insistence that Marquez fight him at 147. To a certain degree, I understand it. If you can make millions upon millions beating competition that has very little chance of upsetting you, and you're so one-dimensional that all you talk about is money, wouldn't you do it? Which brings us to another reason Pacquiao-Mayweather may never happen.

It's obviously no secret, I don't like Mayweather's attitude and I hate his fighting style. IMO, 2 counter-punchers, Mayweather vs. Marquez only leads to a boring fight, one that ultimately ends in a decision. However, if he has any balls, he would meet Marquez halfway. At 147, that really doesn't issue a challenge to Mayweather IMO.

Mayweather fought the upper echelon and challenged himself in the past, but anymore, he stacks everything in his favor. He really is a Vegas type. 2 cases in point:
1. No catchweight for Hatton/Mayweather - Hatton moved up another weight class to make the fight happen.
2. As of now, Mayweather's willing to drop a whopping 2 pounds to meet Marquez at 145 when Marquez fights at 135, that's f'ing ridiculous. The fight should be at the weight class between the two fighters - 140, or halfway at the very least.

It's ok, we obviously don't agree, but there's a lot of press bombarding Mayweather and his "talking" instead of "doing" anymore. I side with that, I have for years.

J.B.
05-06-2009, 03:06 AM
Again, you have conveniently ignored every point I have raised and deferred to opinions given by somebody else. Clearly, you are a hater, which is fine, just admit it. :tongue0011:

You don't like his style? What can I say to that? I'm sorry. Too bad. :laugh:

No catch-weight for Hatton? Oh yeah, like Floyd is the only boxer to do that, besides the fact that Floyd was the welterweight champion so Ricky had to come up to fight for the title... :rolleyes:

Not coming down for Marquez? Why should he? It's a tune-up fight. Floyd is the big ticket, he is the only reason we are talking about Marquez right now. Coming up in weight is always easier than going down at this stage anyway.

You and all the other haters just can't stand the fact that a little flashy black guy with a big-mouth when it comes to hype has actually dominated the Boxing world for 10 years. I'm NOT saying it's a race thing, but it's definitely a culture thing. Although I do find it funny that at the same time people who hate Floyd will praise Ali in the same breath. Unbelievable.

rockdawg21
05-06-2009, 03:38 AM
Again, you have conveniently ignored every point I have raised and deferred to opinions given by somebody else. Clearly, you are a hater, which is fine, just admit it. :tongue0011:

You don't like his style? What can I say to that? I'm sorry. Too bad. :laugh:

No catch-weight for Hatton? Oh yeah, like Floyd is the only boxer to do that, besides the fact that Floyd was the welterweight champion so Ricky had to come up to fight for the title... :rolleyes:

Not coming down for Marquez? Why should he? It's a tune-up fight. Floyd is the big ticket, he is the only reason we are talking about Marquez right now. Coming up in weight is always easier than going down at this stage anyway.

You and all the other haters just can't stand the fact that a little flashy black guy with a big-mouth when it comes to hype has actually dominated the Boxing world for 10 years. I'm NOT saying it's a race thing, but it's definitely a culture thing. Although I do find it funny that at the same time people who hate Floyd will praise Ali in the same breath. Unbelievable.
I already admitted that I'm a hater, but my argument isn't without legitimate points, we just don't agree on those points :wink:

I'm just being lazy about writing and I'm not as creative as those writers (ironically, I sell library books for a living :laugh: ), but the quotes are exactly what I've been saying to my friends. However, they agree with me unlike you :tongue0011:

And your last statement is just ridiculous. If the guy was white, hispanic, asian, etc. and acted like that, I wouldn't like him. Mayorga is a Hispanic guy; he has the same attitude, it's why I don't like him either (however, I haven't paid any attention to him since he lost to DLH). Anyways, that's Mayweather's thing, and it works well for him because he sells tickets. I'll admit, I'd imagine in real life, he's an alright guy when he's not putting on a show to sell tickets. Yes, he's the guy to chase so he doesn't really have to drop a weight class to fight Marquez, but if he really wanted to cement a legacy, he'd of stepped up in class after he cleared out his own weight class.

J.B.
05-06-2009, 04:12 AM
I already admitted that I'm a hater, but my argument isn't without legitimate points, we just don't agree on those points :wink:

I'm just being lazy about writing and I'm not as creative as those writers (ironically, I sell library books for a living :laugh: ), but the quotes are exactly what I've been saying to my friends. However, they agree with me unlike you :tongue0011:

And your last statement is just ridiculous. If the guy was white, hispanic, asian, etc. and acted like that, I wouldn't like him. Mayorga is a Hispanic guy; he has the same attitude, it's why I don't like him either (however, I haven't paid any attention to him since he lost to DLH). Anyways, that's Mayweather's thing, and it works well for him because he sells tickets. I'll admit, I'd imagine in real life, he's an alright guy when he's not putting on a show to sell tickets. Yes, he's the guy to chase so he doesn't really have to drop a weight class to fight Marquez, but if he really wanted to cement a legacy, he'd of stepped up in class after he cleared out his own weight class.

I said it's NOT about race, but it is about culture. You don't like Mayweather because how you perceive him, but the flashiness is really just a part of how he hypes the fight. A lot of fighters and athletes do it. Floyd has been over the top in interviews at times, and he is flashy,but aside from that all things point to Mayweather being a very nice and well liked person. Still, I understand that some people just don't like him, and that's fine. That's how it goes! Lord knows I have teams and athletes I just can't stand :)

Mayweather DID step up in weight. He started at Super Featherweight, then went to lightweight, junior welterweight, and then welterweight. What more do you want? Sure, lots of people are critical of Mayweather, and they always point to the same things, and I will constantly disagree, but there are also a lot of people who DO see Mayweather as already having cemented his legacy as one of the best P4P fighters ever.

I also think that a lot of the writers in most of the mainstream media are VERY fickle when it comes to their reporting on current Boxers. They flow with the flavor of the week and are quick to kick fighters to the curb in an effort to make a story that ends up on the front page with all the other major sports stories. Today they love Manny, and talk about him like he is Ali, next year when somebody else looks hot, the same writers will dump all over the guy they were just praising.