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Vizion
12-19-2013, 06:39 PM
It's coming...

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/12/17/5219686/shooto-brazil-to-feature-man-vs-women-fight-on-friday

rearnakedchoke
12-19-2013, 06:41 PM
i am pulling for the women ...

Vizion
12-19-2013, 06:43 PM
I wish it was a laughing matter RNC. :unsure-1:

rearnakedchoke
12-19-2013, 06:46 PM
I wish it was a laughing matter RNC. :unsure-1:

i am not laughing .. i am picking a winner ... do i think this is a disgrace .. yes .. will i watch it .. no ... do i think the man taking the fight is a disgrace .. yes ... do i think many more women would love to test their combat skills against men? yes ... does that make it right? not imo ...

Vizion
12-19-2013, 06:55 PM
“Violence Filled the Earth”

Jesus spoke far ahead of his time relating to us what life would just prior to his coming. He says in Matt. 24:37-38: “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,” (Gen.6-7). The earth being flooded? Certainly no one outside the Church believes this, since this would prove evolution is false.

Life will be normal until… It will occur during a time of prosperity when people are buying, selling, marrying, planting, and harvesting. This has to occur before the tribulation since the earth will be devastated by the judgments and wrath of God during the tribulation period. For example, Almost all the grass and trees will be destroyed and almost all the water will be turned to 'blood' (undrinkable) Those will NOT be normal times. They ate, drank, married right up until the time Noah entered the ark. Then the destruction of the flood suddenly came and they were destroyed. In Noah’s day there was plenty of warning, but no preparedness. Why? Because they didn't heed him, they mocked. Most of the Church has become indifferent about the second coming replacing it with Church triumphalism, making his kingdom on earth, but the bible clearly states the earth will be just like Noah's day, which is not a pretty scene.

It says they will be marrying and given in marriage. Today we see people being married and divorced multiple times. Mal. 2:16 “For the LORD God of Israel says that He hates divorce, for it covers one's garment with violence,” This has attributed to our societies breakdown, no commitment, no love.

Gen. 6:11-12 “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.” Today we live in a world constantly threatened by terrorism, in our cities we have hate crimes, drive by shootings, mothers killing their own infant children, parents killing their children, children killing parents, inhuman behavior is becoming the norm, we have run amuck having no restraints. Why? Because there is no law, no real accountability, it’s lawlessness. The more tolerance today the less morals we have. There is a relationship between the two, no standard and anything goes. In Israel’s apostasy at the end of the Book of judges reads just as our society today, “everyone did what was right in their own eyes.” People go to suicide because they have no hope. Euthanasia is becoming an accepted alternative. Light is called darkness and darkness is light. In Satanism up is down, and down is up. It will be a time unlike any other where lawlessness will be the way people live. We already see this occurring. Terrorism, hate crimes our behavior has no restraints, lawlessness is increasingly becoming the norm of society. The President's sex scandal had no affect on his popularity, people don't care, they are in no position to point fingers for that would make them guilty as well.

Joel 3:19 “Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom a desolate wilderness, because of violence against the people of Judah, for they have shed innocent blood in their land. Jer 22:17 “Yet your eyes and your heart are for nothing but your covetousness, for shedding innocent blood, and practicing oppression and violence.” Innocent blood can be those of age and those without ever seeing the outside of the womb.50 million babies are aborted worldwide each year. That is 137,000 lives ended each day this is genocide. The land is defiled by blood. Perilous times are upon us, but without the Bible one can barely recognize this fact. Alcohol kills 65,000 people a year, 22,000 on the highway. Without hope we turn to anything that will ease our pain only to find that it hastens our death.

In 1993, William Bennett released his Index of Leading Cultural Indicators. His evaluation of the problem in the past was “Over the years teachers have been asked to identify the top problems in America's public schools. In 1940 teachers identified talking out of turn; chewing gum; making noise; running in halls; cutting in line; dress code infractions; and littering. When teachers were asked the same question in 1990, it was a completely different assessment they identified drug abuse; alcohol abuse; suicide; rape; pregnancy; robbery; and assault.” In the last several years we can also add terroristic threatening, mass murder.

Littleton, Colorado, is not the first place where troubled teenagers took guns to school and unleashed a deadly attack on their teachers and classmates. It certainly will not be the last. Twice in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi, and Paducah, Kentucky. It happened three times in 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas; and Springfield, Oregon. Edinboro, Pennsylvania

Reports of copycat attacks were many afterwards and in Canada it actually occurred. People are turning to violence to vent their personal frustrations. 300 hundred children murder their parents each year.

We are called the culture of death not a good label for the generation at the end of the greatest technological time we have ever lived in (Wall Street Journal 4/22). In 1996, 9,390 people were killed in gun related murders.

When Matthew Shepard who was a homosexual was murder in Wyoming last year it was called a hate crime. The shootings last month at a Jewish community center in California, the media and politicians condemned it calling this kind of violence “hate crimes,” And rightly so.

In 1997 when 14-year-old Michael Carneal shot and killed three students praying at Paducah high school in Kentucky to the April murders of Christian students at Columbine High School in Colorado, to the recent Texas church shootings, at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth we do not hear on the TV networks about anyone being anti-Christian. But a very clear and obvious disturbing pattern is surfacing.

Its not a coincidence that in the recent school tragedy we find Klebold and Harris were influenced by Marilyn Manson a self proclaimed anti-christ whose concerts have Nazi symbols. The murderers were Adolf Hitler lovers, and God haters. It was mostly Christians hunted down by those under the satanic influence What most do not know because of no press reports is that 8 out of 13 children killed were Christians. They were all known as evangelical Christians, is it coincidence? While the enemy made a tragedy out of this God turned it around for his good and many hundreds if not thousands were saved from the gospel being proclaimed. May they rest in peace knowing that they did not die in vain.

Lk. 17:28 He writes that it in “Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; v.29 “but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and What were the days of Lot like that needed this kind of judgment?

Gen. 13:13 “But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD.” In the days of Lot the people gave themselves over to blatant sexual sin. They were homosexuals and adulterers and engaged in any thing their wicked heart desired. Lawlessness abounded, everyone did whatever they felt like from their own evil heart. It became a normal thing in their cities to live in this manner.

Historically the source of violence comes from one that was once close to God, Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:16, “In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned.” This verse speaks of Satan who was then cast as a profane thing from the mount of God. He was “filled with violence” Whereas before he was perfect in all his ways until sin was found in him, the sin of pride. Violence is the physical exhibition of pride. Ps 73:6 Therefore pride serves as their necklace; violence covers them like a garment. “One can recognize that we are a society that is self dependant and self engrossed pride is expressed through violence. Our society has reached the time that can be ripe for judgment. Prov 4:17-19 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is like the shining sun, that shines ever brighter unto the perfect day. The way of the wicked is like darkness; they do not know what makes them stumble.” We have the fruits of our labors today from sowing seeds of discord for years. Prov 21:7 “The violence of the wicked will destroy them, because they refuse to do justice.”

The spiritual war has been on the increase as Satan's hosts find their expression through ungodly people to do violence working through the sons of disobedience. While God wants to bring order and life, Satan comes to steal away any good thing. What does God say about violence? Psalms 11:5, “The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, and his soul hates him that loves violence.” It also says “all those who love death hate me. “

Our video arcades are filled with entertaining games with death-themes. Our movies are filled with violence as well as the TV. Now legislation is sought but is too little and too late? Prov.10:11The mouth of the righteous is a well of life, but violence covers the mouth of the wicked.” Hollywood needs to take some of the blame for promoting violence and promiscuity but we need to take responsibility as well. Because we did not speak out and declare Gods standard and his judgement on those who fight against it. Prov. 24:2 For their heart devises violence, and their lips talk of troublemaking. “Its good business to promote exciting films with murder and sex and violence in them for entertainment. But now it has influenced our lifestyle, the enemy of our souls has come to cash in the chips and the cost is high, the lives of the next generation.

Our youth today does not have to fear going to war on foreign soil as we did. Instead car accidents, suicide, and homicide, drive by shootings all happen right in front of our face. We can thank our western education of science, telling our children they are accidents of nature from the process of evolution. Without God there is no hope or purpose, we become empty souls in a hollow shell. Humanism has failed miserably as we see post-Christian America going to the pits. No hope, why live, the only alternative is death and killing. Prov. 13:12 “Hope deferred maketh the heart sick.”

Prov. 26:12 “Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of him.”

Jer. 18:12 “And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.” This is where we are today our own devices forsaking our maker who is desperately interested in becoming part of our lives to guide us. God asks in Ps.2:1-4 “Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The rulers of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us.”

The storm clouds gathering closed in the distance. We're beginning to see the days of Noah again when men’s hearts and the earth will be continually filled with violence. We all have Violence in the heart apart from the new birth. Only the Gospel of Christ will be the modern ark of safety. It needs to be proclaimed clearly and loudly, we may be close to the end of Noah’s 120 years. Job 27:8-9 For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul? Will God hear his cry when trouble cometh upon him?

Now we are confronted with an age of terrorism that is not isolated but sweeping the planet. In the name of God those who practicing their religion zealously see it as their duty to rid the world of those who they view as not pleasing God by the use of force. It’s in Israel, Africa and in America and it will spread elsewhere , because evil when it is not contained or reduced by an equal force will spread like a fire. We live under a nuclear Damocles more than ever before except now it is not the head nations but third world countries.

Its time to pray- Psalm 147:11

“The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.”

May we cry out for mercy on our nation, may we ask for forgiveness for our waywardness, and return to our first love of God, that our prayers may be answered from heaven. Return to God that He may return his mercy to us.

http://www.letusreason.org/Proph.8.htm

Vizion
12-19-2013, 07:48 PM
This is what happens when we glorify violence.

Nothing will be impossible for man. There's no doubt eventually MMA leads to fighting to the death, men vs children, and children vs women, and animals vs people....

It will happen beyond a doubt (GUARANTEED) because the Bible is quite clear that "Nothing will be impossible for them" Genesis 11:6.

And there will be MMA fans galore defending it too, and you better most of them will believe they are "good people" too.

This is why God HAD to send Jesus to pay for our sins. He blessed us, so we cursed him in return. God's Mercy is Jesus.

I only pray he comes back before it gets that insane.

rearnakedchoke
12-19-2013, 08:22 PM
if dave ever posted something that long, i would have never read it .. but since you posted it .. i read it ..

good posts viz ..

County Mike
12-19-2013, 09:10 PM
Nah. I skipped Vizion's post too. I haven't even clicked the article link yet.

I'm lazy.

Vizion
12-19-2013, 09:38 PM
The whole thing was a set up, it turns out.

How stupid. You should read the comments over at MMAWeekly.

flo
12-20-2013, 12:37 AM
Well, let's face it, there is already man vs. woman fights since the "transgendered" guy was allowed to fight as a woman (can't remember his name right now).

Just my 2 cents but I'm sorry that Dana went back on his word and has brought women into the UFC.

TexasRN
12-20-2013, 01:31 PM
Well, let's face it, there is already man vs. woman fights since the "transgendered" guy was allowed to fight as a woman (can't remember his name right now).

Just my 2 cents but I'm sorry that Dana went back on his word and has brought women into the UFC.

I agree 100%. I was surprised that he changed his mind. I don't and won't watch them.


~Amy

Bonnie
12-20-2013, 07:38 PM
Well, let's face it, there is already man vs. woman fights since the "transgendered" guy was allowed to fight as a woman (can't remember his name right now).

Just my 2 cents but I'm sorry that Dana went back on his word and has brought women into the UFC.

I agree 100%. I was surprised that he changed his mind. I don't and won't watch them.


~Amy

Yeah, I really hate seeing the women getting hit in the face, it's just not the same as watching the men getting hit. :laugh: Even then, at times, it's even hard watching when the guys are receiving repeated blows to their head and face. At those times, all I can think about is, "what's happening to their brains?" :unsure-1:

Not too long ago I saw a news piece on children competing in mma matches/fights. They showed arm bars and chokes, just like the adults, I was shocked. I know kids learn karate and judo, etc., but I don't agree with children competing like adults in mma, if that is what's happening--they didn't specify if the same rules apply, for instance, if someone doesn't "tap". :unsure: How do y'all feel about this?

VCURamFan
12-20-2013, 09:12 PM
Not too long ago I saw a news piece on children competing in mma matches/fights. They showed arm bars and chokes, just like the adults, I was shocked. I know kids learn karate and judo, etc., but I don't agree with children competing like adults in mma, if that is what's happening--they didn't specify if the same rules apply, for instance, if someone doesn't "tap". :unsure: How do y'all feel about this?
Yeah, I saw that same thing & I wasn't sure how I felt about it. Let me ask you this, though: what do you think about kids BJJ matches? Because I love seeing those little tikes go at it on competition day.

TexasRN
12-21-2013, 12:18 AM
I worry about the kids in BJJ matches because their joints can still be very loose and the strain of that kind of sport can do long term damage that they'll regret later in life. Now, when you say "kids" are you meaning like 5 years old and up or teens? I'm all for teens (12 and up) who can handle the knowledge and be responsible learning it. Before age 12, I much prefer them learning TKD or boxing with dummies to learn technique. I know some programs are super careful and make sure that when a joint lock is correct, it doesn't get cranked at all. I just worry about the competition when adrenaline runs high and you don't always realize your own strength or the other person's limits.


~Amy

Bonnie
12-21-2013, 04:26 AM
Yeah, I saw that same thing & I wasn't sure how I felt about it. Let me ask you this, though: what do you think about kids BJJ matches? Because I love seeing those little tikes go at it on competition day.

I worry about the kids in BJJ matches because their joints can still be very loose and the strain of that kind of sport can do long term damage that they'll regret later in life. Now, when you say "kids" are you meaning like 5 years old and up or teens? I'm all for teens (12 and up) who can handle the knowledge and be responsible learning it. Before age 12, I much prefer them learning TKD or boxing with dummies to learn technique. I know some programs are super careful and make sure that when a joint lock is correct, it doesn't get cranked at all. I just worry about the competition when adrenaline runs high and you don't always realize your own strength or the other person's limits.


~Amy

They didn't specify ages, and of course, kids, like some adults, can "look" younger than their actual age, but the ones I saw appeared to look a bit younger than teens. Ben, my concerns with the kids is what Amy points out about their young bodies, and their judgment.

Ben, how do you feel about watching women fight? Also, I'm sure their are some women who could beat some men, but I don't want to see men fighting women either.

Vizion
12-23-2013, 01:56 AM
The fact that there was discussion of the issue begs for the issue to be explored later on.

The day will come when people will reverse everything from right to wrong and from wrong to right.

Am I off base in saying this? Sometimes I feel like the crazy street preacher on this forum :laugh:

VCURamFan
12-23-2013, 02:11 PM
I worry about the kids in BJJ matches because their joints can still be very loose and the strain of that kind of sport can do long term damage that they'll regret later in life. Now, when you say "kids" are you meaning like 5 years old and up or teens? I'm all for teens (12 and up) who can handle the knowledge and be responsible learning it. Before age 12, I much prefer them learning TKD or boxing with dummies to learn technique. I know some programs are super careful and make sure that when a joint lock is correct, it doesn't get cranked at all. I just worry about the competition when adrenaline runs high and you don't always realize your own strength or the other person's limits.


~Amy
I was thinking about kids (5-12), not teens (13+). I guess I'm "spoiled", because of how things are run at USGrappling. Andrew (my coach/co-owner of USGrappling) only has 1 or 2 refs that he lets run the kids matches, and they are HYPER-aware of anything that might possibly be dangerous. They talk to all the parents before hand & make a big deal of saying "I have no clue what your kid's flexibility is or his toughness or if he's double-jointed and I will call a match if I think he's in danger, even if he doesn't tap. I'm telling you this now so that you don't get pissed during a match, because I'm not going to let your child be injured on my watch, even if you think they could keep going. I don't want that on my conscience."

It's just adorable seeing a 5yr-old boy & a 6yr-old girl trying to foot sweep each other 'cause it looks like they're dancing in their pajamas. :ashamed:
They didn't specify ages, and of course, kids, like some adults, can "look" younger than their actual age, but the ones I saw appeared to look a bit younger than teens. Ben, my concerns with the kids is what Amy points out about their young bodies, and their judgment.
Yeah, I think there's a ton of responsibility that falls into the lap of the adults running the event, but that's the case in every activity that kids do. Football, little league, swimming, video games, etc.: kids rely on their parents & coaches & referees to make sure that they don't go too far by accident. Our sport might be newer (and therefore not as commonplace), but the challenges of protecting a child from his own inexperience & enthusiasm if the same.

Ben, how do you feel about watching women fight? Also, I'm sure their are some women who could beat some men, but I don't want to see men fighting women either.
I like the women's fights! I think they're really talented & can really throw down. Some of them are boring, just like men's fights. Some of them are mismatches, just like men's fights. Some of them don't necessarily belong in the UFC yet, just like men's fights. But then there are a lot of them that are absolutely world class & put on an amazing show for the fans, just like men's fights!

I'll be honest, I'm almost as stoked about Rousey/Tate II Saturday night as I am about Weidman/Silva II. So excited I get to work this event!! :happydancing:

TexasRN
12-23-2013, 04:40 PM
Yeah, Ben. I've met Andrew and I agree that he runs a very clean competition. I still have his cell phone number in my contacts list. :laugh: I just worry that there are other places that don't and won't teach the kids how much harm can be done by taking the joint locks too far or who let little angry brats in the gym who hurt others on purpose out of anger.

I know the gym that my kids went to in Texas had very specific rules about what kids are allowed to do any mma activities and most were turned away. My son was allowed to participate when he asked because he was able to show restraint and is very even keeled emotionally. They knew he wouldn't go to school and start choking other kids out. He was 11 by then. My daughter had no desire to do any of that. She liked the forms competitions for TKD.

With the twins, hubby and I have discussed what sports we'd want to expose them to and TKD is one we are fine with. Hubby would like to get them into krav maga :scared0011: but that one makes me nervous. He said it will be good for them to be able to defend themselves. So I don't know. If we find a really good program, we may go for it.

As for women, I'm all for women getting to be in sports and compete. I was in the mma classes at the gym and there were definitely guys who wouldn't want to partner with me in class. The instructor would yell at them and tell them that I could likely kick their a$$ so they better step up. Then he'd say that if any of the guys wouldn't partner with anyone the instructor picked regardless of gender, they should leave. I like women getting to compete. I just don't want to watch it on tv PPVs. :laugh:


~Amy

TexasRN
12-23-2013, 05:09 PM
And the reason I have his cell number has to do with the competitions we were doing at the time, nothing else. :laugh: I figured I better clarify that.


~Amy

Tyburn
12-26-2013, 01:41 AM
I agree 100%. I was surprised that he changed his mind. I don't and won't watch them.


~Amy

me either :no:

VCURamFan
12-26-2013, 02:21 PM
Y'all are really missing out on some great MMA.

Chuck
12-26-2013, 03:01 PM
Y'all are really missing out on some great MMA.

Truth.

I was against it at first but the more you watch it the more you realize they put on great fights. It's like the College Football version of MMA. They have something to prove and they fight like it. No taking off a round or just going through the motions... every fight they know people are watching and waiting to judge women's MMA so they put on a good show.

VCURamFan
12-26-2013, 03:13 PM
Truth.

I was against it at first but the more you watch it the more you realize they put on great fights. It's like the College Football version of MMA. They have something to prove and they fight like it. No taking off a round or just going through the motions... every fight they know people are watching and waiting to judge women's MMA so they put on a good show.
+ juan

County Mike
12-26-2013, 03:42 PM
Si. I agree.
Some great fights.

Vizion
12-26-2013, 04:23 PM
Y'all are really missing out on some great MMA.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

TexasRN
12-27-2013, 01:12 AM
Y'all are really missing out on some great MMA.


I'm ok with that. :laugh: Besides, I'm about to have NO time to watch anything other than Disney and Nick Jr. I'll be able to give you the play by play for the Bubble Guppies.


~Amy