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Tyburn
02-24-2013, 09:45 PM
You know, for a very long time I've been Anti-Womens MMA...or at least anti-the viewing of it. I wasnt so bothered that Women trained and competed so much as not really wanting to see it

This was decided upon by two reasons...first its against my etiquette. I have been bought up to believe that there are ways of treating women, and ways not to treat them. I would not enjoy the watching of womens MMA any more then I suppose I would enjoy women strippers....because as far as im concerned, they shouldnt be treated in that manner by the people watching them, it tarnishes them and makes them....well...dirty I suppose.

The second reason was, in all my study of the roman games, Which I strongly believe is a true representation of combat sport...more so, I believe then the Greek Olympics, which is what, one presumes, unarmed combat for sport was based on (bear in mind that Rome specialized in armed combat more then unarmed combat...but did both) I had not heard of Women taking part, outside of the obvious reconstructions, nor, really as mass state sponcered death sentances for prisoners of war.

Like the UFC have different weight divisions for fighters, and whilst fighters have different skill sets which ranks them into types...a Striker, for example, may be well rounded...but as a type you know he will do and act a certain way...well so the Roman Gladiators were sorted by Type, depending on what specialisms they had, and where their skills lay...and sometimes, their size aswell. In all those types I had never come across a "type" for Females.

Now...lets me explain something...aproximately 50 percent of Roman Gladiators were fighters of choice, it was, as is now, a Career option for Romans. Though in order to take part, one who was of high nobility would still have to go into a Ludus and still have to train as if they were a slave, because by definition, a Ludus is a stable owned by whoever has funded its set up. A lot of these men were ex-forces....but some, were simply men who wanted to fight...and it was of this level that I discovered on some research that women DID take part.

It was dreadfully frowned upon though. So much so, that there were bans put out to stop women of reasonable class taking part, even if they were technically free to choose it as a career choice. The reason for this, not suprisingly, was the same reason as my initial revoltion...Women shouldnt be doing that sort of thing...why would they even want to? The writers, who were the basic journalists of the day were not pleasent about them:

"What sense of shame can be found in a woman wearing a helmet, who shuns femininity and loves brute force....If an auction is held of your wife's effects, how proud you will be of her belt and arm-pads and plumes, and her half-length left-leg shin-guard! Or, if instead, she prefers a different form of combat how pleased you'll be when the girl of your heart sells off her greaves!....Hear her grunt while she practises thrusts as shown by the trainer, wilting under the weight of the helmet."

So...I feel justified in saying that I dont acknowledge womens MMA....and whilst I personally, have no problem with women training and partaking in it because I respect that they may want to do that, and they have free choice to do that...I do not want to watch it...and so I shall not acknowledge the women on the UFC cards....as I didnt in my predictions or recap video for this event. I certainly do not believe they are worth sacrificing good men for...

however...it is interesting to think that were you a Roman, who invested in female slaves to train as Gladiators...you would be paying about 6K Denarii for one....whereas for a baseline figure on a male...your looking around 500 Denarii

to give you an idea...one denarii is about $20...or 15

You do the maths because I havent a calculator handy.

Now...I'd love to know what others think as I dont reckon we've ever truely talked about it on this forum

Liddellfan
02-24-2013, 10:41 PM
Nothing wrong with womens MMA. They are free to make their own decisions, nobody forces them to do it.

Tyburn
02-24-2013, 11:17 PM
Nothing wrong with womens MMA. They are free to make their own decisions, nobody forces them to do it.

Yes...I get all that...but do you enjoy it? do you want to watch it? I guess thats the real question...its not whether women are entitled to fight...its weather anyone wants to watch them fight.

kevint13
02-25-2013, 12:52 AM
Yes...I get all that...but do you enjoy it? do you want to watch it? I guess thats the real question...its not whether women are entitled to fight...its weather anyone wants to watch them fight.

I actually enjoy watching them fight. These women are talented and some of the best fights that I have seen have been women. Even last night, the women stole the show....they had the best fight on the main card.

I get where you are coming from Dave, for me though I have been raised around women athletics. My sister and I both did tae kwon-do growing up and competed in it as well. So watching women fight is no big deal to me, a fight is a fight no matter the gender competing.

flo
02-25-2013, 01:50 AM
I think they should be able to do it if they want but I don't like to see women physically fighting.

Just my 2 cents.

NateR
02-25-2013, 02:34 AM
I have no problem with it existing, I just have no interest in watching it.

What I would strongly object to would be if they started having male fighters and females fighters fighting each other. There is absolutely no way I would consider watching a man pound away on a woman's face to be entertainment. Equal opportunity be damned in that circumstance.

kevint13
02-25-2013, 02:40 AM
What I would strongly object to would be if they started having male fighters and females fighters fighting each other. There is absolutely no way I would consider watching a man pound away on a woman's face to be entertainment. Equal opportunity be damned in that circumstance.

Agreed. I hope we never get to a point where that is acceptable.

Tyburn
02-25-2013, 09:51 AM
I have no problem with it existing, I just have no interest in watching it.

What I would strongly object to would be if they started having male fighters and females fighters fighting each other. There is absolutely no way I would consider watching a man pound away on a woman's face to be entertainment. Equal opportunity be damned in that circumstance.

I'm pretty much the same...I believe they should be able to compete if they want to...but I do not want to watch it.

I hope they never do mixed gender matches...men should NEVER hit women...not in anger, retribution, or sport...its an absolute no-no...again its all about etiquette...I believe its wrong for women to suffer physical harm at the hands of anyone...Women are supposed to be treasured by men...not hit by them

Tyburn
02-25-2013, 09:53 AM
I think they should be able to do it if they want but I don't like to see women physically fighting.

Just my 2 cents.

:laugh: I'm glad im not alone in this...I was expecting everyone to say, yeah, its fine, I love it, love watching it, think its amazing. The general consensus so far is that they should beallowed to compete, but noone relishes the prospect of watching it :)

County Mike
02-25-2013, 01:19 PM
Love it!

Rousey/Carmouche was one of the best fights I've seen. Both are very skilled and put on an entertaining fight.

rearnakedchoke
02-25-2013, 01:23 PM
i put it up there with midget wrestling and mud wrestling .. fun to watch, but can't take it seriously ...


ok .. i am kidding... if the fights are fair and exciting, i have no issues watching it ... i think there needs to be more competition right now, but like anything, it will take time to grow ...

Tyburn
02-25-2013, 04:25 PM
Love it!

Rousey/Carmouche was one of the best fights I've seen. Both are very skilled and put on an entertaining fight.

...and no sandwhiches were harmed in the filming of that fight...im sure :laugh:

VCURamFan
02-25-2013, 04:48 PM
MMA is MMA: whether it's men or women, I love it. Give me 2 fighters of identical gender & comparable skills, and I'm down! :punch:

...and no sandwhiches were harmed in the filming of that fight...im sure :laugh:
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NateR
02-26-2013, 05:49 AM
I'm pretty much the same...I believe they should be able to compete if they want to...but I do not want to watch it.

I hope they never do mixed gender matches...men should NEVER hit women...not in anger, retribution, or sport...its an absolute no-no...again its all about etiquette...I believe its wrong for women to suffer physical harm at the hands of anyone...Women are supposed to be treasured by men...not hit by them

I agree with that to an extent. A woman should never be physically attacked by a man unless it is a wartime situation and she is a combatant (something that I strongly disagree with, but unfortunately it's a reality), or the woman is in the process of committing a violent crime and the only way to stop her is to physically take her down.

MattHughesRocks
02-26-2013, 06:27 AM
I used to be against it but then I watched it and man dem b itc hes can fight!

LOVE it! :punch::crazy::dizzy::applause::eye-popping::fighting0008::fighting0028::happy0159:

County Mike
02-26-2013, 12:03 PM
I used to be against it but then I watched it and man dem b itc hes can fight!

LOVE it! :punch::crazy::dizzy::applause::eye-popping::fighting0008::fighting0028::happy0159:

+1

rearnakedchoke
02-26-2013, 02:57 PM
I agree with that to an extent. A woman should never be physically attacked by a man unless it is a wartime situation and she is a combatant (something that I strongly disagree with, but unfortunately it's a reality), or the woman is in the process of committing a violent crime and the only way to stop her is to physically take her down.

disagree ... if a women is got it coming to her, she deserves it .... give you an example ... at a amusement park in the summer, two kids were arguing ... probably 7-9 years old ... one of the kids hits the other .. the mother jumps in a slapped the kid that wasnt' hers ... i was like, wow ... did that just happen .. the dad came over and knocked the b1#ch silly .... is that what i would have done? can't honestly say .. but did i feel bad for her??? not in the least ... .she deserved it ... LOL

NateR
02-26-2013, 04:55 PM
disagree ... if a women is got it coming to her, she deserves it .... give you an example ... at a amusement park in the summer, two kids were arguing ... probably 7-9 years old ... one of the kids hits the other .. the mother jumps in a slapped the kid that wasnt' hers ... i was like, wow ... did that just happen .. the dad came over and knocked the b1#ch silly .... is that what i would have done? can't honestly say .. but did i feel bad for her??? not in the least ... .she deserved it ... LOL

Yeah, I can agree with that situation too. Women aren't morally-superior, delicate little flowers. They can be just as vulgar, disgusting and reprobate as any man. So I can actually think of many instances were a woman would have it coming to her in the exact same way that a man would have it coming to him.

Neezar
02-27-2013, 03:09 AM
He could have just shook her a little bit. :unsure-1:

flo
02-27-2013, 07:52 AM
He could have just shook her a little bit. :unsure-1:

I thought the same thing.

County Mike
02-27-2013, 01:12 PM
He could have just shook her a little bit. :unsure-1:

I'd never hit a woman.


But I'll shake a bitch. :)

VCURamFan
02-27-2013, 01:25 PM
I'd never hit a woman.


But I'll shake a bitch. :)
Thank you, Chris Rock! :laugh:

Neezar
02-27-2013, 04:05 PM
:laugh: That's what I was thinking about.

Tyburn
02-27-2013, 05:12 PM
Sorry to say this...but I neither believe in the myth of Redemptive Violence "they had it comming" Nor do I believe in might makes right "the most physically/destructively powerful has superiority because of that power"

Here is the other thing...You can not control what others do to you...but you CAN control how you react.

Should a mother hit a child that is not hers...absolutely not

but if she does...it does NOT legitamize the use of physical force...Frankly, they ARE Delicate Little Flowers, that should be treasured and loved and treated in an equisite manner...if they mis behave then punishment should be limited to NON physical aggression...especially from a stronger man...that is absolutely unforgiveable...it must NEVER occure.

Tyburn
02-27-2013, 05:20 PM
I agree with that to an extent. A woman should never be physically attacked by a man unless it is a wartime situation and she is a combatant (something that I strongly disagree with, but unfortunately it's a reality), or the woman is in the process of committing a violent crime and the only way to stop her is to physically take her down.

Well...the first one would present me with a bit of a conflict of interest I suppose.

The second one is fine for me...someone committing a serious violent crime, is not a citizen, but a criminal...they have the rights ascribed to them by law, and by breaching that law they can devoid themselves of the vast majority of them...a Criminal, is a Criminal regardless of gender...though again, the only opportunity to physically prevent a women criminal would be at the moment of the crime...I dont advocate it after conviction...

I cant help that I have been raised with rather a victorian view on this...it stems from when I was a child...I remember eating a cadburys creme egg...and my Sister Tiffany stole that egg from me...and I hit her, in order to reaquire the egg....and Mother turned into such a monster...I was told under no circumstances was I EVER to strike a woman!

She gave me a beating to drive the point home :laugh:

Neezar
03-07-2013, 01:34 PM
I have no problem with it existing, I just have no interest in watching it.

What I would strongly object to would be if they started having male fighters and females fighters fighting each other. There is absolutely no way I would consider watching a man pound away on a woman's face to be entertainment. Equal opportunity be damned in that circumstance.


What the hell? A man turned into a woman can fight?

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When Liz Carmouche fought Ronda Rousey at UFC 157, she became the first openly gay UFC fighter. The sport is breaking new ground again with transgender female fighter Fallon Fox. As a postoperative transgender woman since 2006, Fox has two professional wins under her belt. But her license is now under review in Florida, where she knocked out Ericka Newsome in a Championship Fighting Alliance tournament bout.

Fox revealed her original gender to Sports Illustrated on Monday (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/news/20130305/fallon-fox-transgender-mma/?sct=mma_t11_a2). She said when she applied for a license in Florida, that she already held a license in California. Once a fighter is licensed in one state, it's usually easier to get licensed in another. Fox thought she was licensed in California, but the California State Athletic Commission said her license application was under review. Though she says she disclosed her transgender history to California, she didn't to Florida.

The crux of the question behind her license is whether or not Fox's former gender would give her an advantage over opponents. Fox says it won't. :rolleyes:
"They think she must be stronger, because she used to be a male. But if they look at the science of it, and what the hormones do to the male body, taken over a period of two to three years, it dissipates," Fox said to Outsports. "That's what they found, and which is one of the reasons why the International Olympic Committee has allowed post-operative trans people to participate in the Olympics."
As Florida investigates her license, the promoter doesn't have any plans to remove Fox from the tournament.
"She [currently] has a license by the Florida State Boxing Commission as a female; she's going to stay in the tournament," CFA CEO Jorge De La Noval said to ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/9023730/transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-faces-review-mma-license). "She's a female fighter to us. And we're standing behind her when it comes to that. We're not going to kick her out of the tournament. She's going to continue fighting for CFA."
She is supposed to fight again April 20. The Florida commission is planning to meet on March 15 for a workshop on pro MMA events, and Fox's case will be discussed then.

MMA as we know it today is a fairly new sport. It has the ability to evolve more quickly than sports with more established institutions. That makes it more nimble and able to handle with new challenges thrown its way. Though at times this means it appears to be fly by night, it also means it can act quickly to evolve.





http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/post-operative-transgender-female-fighter-fallon-fox-license-031016168--mma.html

Silverback
03-07-2013, 02:11 PM
MMA is MMA: whether it's men or women, I love it. Give me 2 fighters of identical gender & comparable skills, and I'm down! :punch:


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Yes, they just need a few more arm breaking's for my taste.:tongue0011::tongue0011::tongue0011:

Liddellfan
03-09-2013, 06:59 PM
I enjoy watching womens MMA. Nothing better than two females dressed in tiny tight shorts and tight, barely there shirts rolling putting their skills on display.